Popular Post david.atwell Posted November 18, 2009 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2009 This tutorial is available as a PDF. Click here to view or download it DPI and YOU - Understanding Resolution for Print and Web So you've just hit the Paint.NET "New...," "Canvas Size" or "Resize" option. And suddenly, to your horror, you see...THIS! ...or something like it. (This, specifically, is the "Resize" option from the "Image" menu.) Holy cowbirds*! An array of options! How do you deal with this? What is "Resolution?" What is going on here? Maybe you've just stuck with the "By Percentage" option, to be safe. I'm going to teach you to expand beyond the basic "Shrink by 50%" reflex and show you how to maximize your printing power with Paint.NET's DPI tools. 's fantastic "Printer+" plugin (in this plugin pack) and @I Like Pi's incredible "OptiPNG" plugin (available here) to maximize the quality of your print and web images. I'm not going to use them in this tutorial, though.] Also, you'll find footnotes denoted by linked asterisks (*) and carets (^), including multiples and combinations thereof. Click on them, and they'll link to the footnote at the bottom of the post. So! Now that we've got that out of the way, Here's what we're planning to look at today. Contents 1. What is this "DPI" thing anyway? 2. How can I optimize my image for print? 3. How can I optimize my image for the Web? 4. How can I make an image higher-resolution? (Or: CSI has LIED to you!) And off we go! 1. What is this "DPI" thing anyway? To understand DPI ("Dots Per Inch"), you need to understand the basics of raster imaging. Paint.NET is a raster image editor. This means that it uses pixels (small blocks of colors) to build up an image. What are pixels? Try opening a photo and zooming in really, really closely. For instance, take this picture** (Go ahead! Take it! It's public domain!): and zoom in really close on the red square around her eye (this is 1000% zoom): That, my friend, is the DNA of this image. The building blocks. The LEGOs, if you like that sort of thing (and who doesn't?!). The blocky pixels are shown on a computer screen in rows and columns so small that the naked eye doesn't see the individual pieces (though if you get close enough to a projector screen, you'll probably be able to identify the individual pixels fairly easily). Instead, the tiny little blocks of color flow together to create the beautiful lines and curves of a photograph or drawing. How does DPI fit into all of this? Well, here's the secret of DPI: it's really a huge scam. Oh, sure, it does affect the printing, and sometimes the display, of the image. But it doesn't actually change the image itself at all. No kidding. It's just a number that Paint.NET (or Photoshop, or Paint, or Corel Draw...) saves alongside the image so that the computer knows what size you mean for the image to be. So, take a look at this image***: Now, that image, which is 100 pixels wide, was shown at 96 DPI (Dots Per Inch), meaning that its 100 pixels should be filling slightly more than one inch on most monitors^. But, if we were to change the DPI - say, to 50 or so - it would expand those 100 pixels to fill 2 inches of space (100 / 50 = 2, get it?): Notice that the image got choppier. The individual pixels are much more visible now, and the image doesn't look as good. We'll talk about ways to fix that in section 4. Or change the DPI to 200. Now it will shrink those pixels to fill a half inch of space (100 / 200 = .5): Holy Glossiness, Batman! The image got a lot higher-quality! That's because, since the individual pixels are so much smaller, they're less visible. that means that the overall curves and lines are more prominent. (Ok, you caught me. The image is still at 96 DPI, and I just resized it to make it look like it was at 50 DPI and 200 DPI. That's because most programs (including your browser, most likely) render images based solely on their pixel size, not their resolution. But if they did, that's how they would look.) But you get the concept, right? To review: -Paint.NET is a raster image program. -Raster means it uses pixels. -Pixels are the tiny little blocks that make up an image. -DPI doesn't change the image, it just changes how it's displayed. -When DPI is higher, the image is smaller because the pixels fill a smaller space. -When DPI is lower, the image is larger because the pixels fill a larger space. -The higher the DPI, the better the image quality. (And vice versa) We clear? Feel free to comment with any questions you have, and come back to the rest later if you need to digest. 2. How can I optimize my image for print? So this is the nuts and bolts. This is what DPI really boils down to. See, your printer will print out the image at the size dictated by the image's DPI. Remember how the image above got smaller with a larger DPI? Same thing applies to printers. Now, while typical monitor resolution is 96 DPI, a printer typically runs anywhere from 150 to 600 DPI. If you have a typical InkJet printer, it's probably capable of 300-600 DPI, but if you are taking it to a professional printing house (like Kinko's FedEx Office), they probably have a color LaserJet printer capable of resolution well up into the 1000 DPI range (some even as high as 1800 DPI). The human eye is usally satisfied with something at 300-600 DPI, so it's a good baseline for most work. No problem, right? We'll just change the DPI to 300 or so. No worries. Except that if you do that, it will make this image^^... ...about this big on the page: Humph. Well, that sucks. Moral of the story? Work bigger. Much bigger. As big as possible, and don't shrink it down until you're absolutely, positively, without-a-doubt DONE. And always, always, ALWAYS save the full-size .PDN with layers, because you never know when you'll need to change something later. Because if you print it out at 96 DPI, it'll look like this: Yuck. That's because a dot of ink is much smaller than a pixel, meaning more fit in an inch. Resizing it up will just make it look nasty. We'll talk more about how to fix that (kinda) in section 4, but for now, let's review. -DPI tells the printer what size to print the image at. -Your InkJet printer can probably print at 300-600 DPI. That's good enough for most work. -Work as big as possible. -Work as big as possible. -Work as big as possible! -Don't resize down until you're ready to print, and ALWAYS keep the full-size, layered .PDN file. Take a breather before going on to... 3. How can I optimize my image for the Web? This section is going to be much smaller, because the fact is, resolution doesn't do much for web-based images. They'll most always display at 96 DPI, no matter how you save it. (See the footnote for the first section where I admit publicly that I lied stretched the truth a bit). For proof, look at these images*^*. The first is saved at 96 DPI, the second at 300 DPI, the third at 14,400 DPI: While they all look the same on your screen, they would look vastly different on paper. The first one would be slightly more than an inch and a half in size, the second one would be around half an inch, and the third one (if I've done the math right) would only be about the size of one pixel at 96 DPI. So, how can I optimize my image for the Web? Well, some of the principles we've learned above will apply here. First of all, remember that a larger DPI (more pixels in a smaller space) means higher quality. So, similar to the Print section, work with the image in a large size before sizing it down for web. Adjusting the actual DPI does nothing, but you can fake this with image size: For instance, if you are making a signature for the forum, work with it at 1000x300, and right when you get done, shrink it down to 500x150. This is half of my current sig, at the size it was when I was working on it^^^: And, after resizing down: Notice that it got a lot less jaggedy. The lines became smoother, the image looks better...overall, it's a much nicer image. This is the dirtiest secret in image editing: Work big, then shrink down. It's the easiest way to cover mistakes at the pixel level, because the eye just can't see them anymore. [NEW] Another thing to keep in mind - you'll probably want to work at 200%, 400%, 800%... (keep doubling) because pixels look best when cut in half, rather than in thirds or fifths. 200% or 400% should most often be big enough. For instance, sigs on this forum will eventually be 500x150, so working at 1000x300 is the simplest way to resize. It looks the best when it goes down exactly 50%. So, when you start off a project, increase canvas size by 200% or 400%, and when you're done, resize down to 50% or 25% to get your desired size. The computer works best that way. And ALWAYS keep the full-size, layered .PDN in case you need it later. Quick review: -DPI doesn't do anything for web graphics. -Work with a high image size, then shrink it down to save it. -ALWAYS keep the full-size, layered .PDN on hand in case you need it later. (How many times can I say it?) We're in the home stretch now! 4. How can I make an image higher-resolution? (Or: CSI has LIED to you!) Short answer: You can't. Long answer: Yyyooouuu cccaaannn'''ttt... Have you ever seen this scenario played out on TV? The CSI shows do it as often as . Even (and literally everything that comes out of his mouth is gibberish in that clip), though I'm willing to forgive him since it was the 80's and NO one knew what they were talking about. (But this is probably the funniest parody of Hollywood's computer illiteracy.) Anyway, they're lying to you. There's no computer system in the world that can do what the computers in CSI are depicted as doing. While an image can easily be resized smaller, it can never satisfactorily be made larger. Why is that? Because the image is made up of pixels, remember? At its core, this image*^^... ...is just this: A bunch of pixels. So what do you get when you blow up a grainy surveillance photo^**? You get a close-up of a grainy surveillance photo. Asking the computer to "enhance" it, like on CSI, is like giving someone a book with three out of every four pages missing and asking them to reconstruct the story. It can't be done very accurately, because the information isn't there, and there will never be any technology that will let us do that.**^ So, what can you do if you need the picture to be bigger? Well, the easiest way is to just take a bigger picture. You'll never make an enlargement look as good a picture that was taken at the size you want. But there are tricks you can employ. First, leave the drop-down menu in Paint.NET on "Best Quality." It'll automatically choose the best way of "guessing" at the missing information. Second, try running Gaussian Blur, followed by Sharpen. Repeat several times, and you'll get something passable. Keep in mind, though, this really only works at images that have been doubled in size at best. More than 200%, and you're getting into impossible territory. And if you come up with a technique that works better, share it below! I am open to suggestions, most definitely. But, to review... -You can't "enlarge and enhance" like they do on TV. -The writers of CSI are dirty rotten liars. (Well, they don't know computer graphics as well as they claim to. Same thing.) -The best way to have a bigger picture is to take a bigger picture. And there you have it! You've learned all there is to know^^* about resolution and DPI in images. Congratulations! I know there's really not much of an outcome here, but feel free to ask questions, comment, and show the Before and After images you've resized. Bon voyage! Footnotes: * My roommate says this. No, I don't know why. ** This image is "Girl with a Pearl Earring," by Johannes Vermeer. Image found here. *** This image is a detail from "Rayons du Soir (Sails at Sunset)," by Charles Cottet. Image found here. ^ Well, almost. If your monitor isn't displaying at native resolution, it won't. If your monitor isn't a 96 PPI monitor, it won't. But for most monitors and most people, 96 pixels equals 1 inch. Also, technically, this is PPI (Pixels Per Inch), not DPI (Dots Per Inch), because it's shown on a screen, not printed on a page. But I'm using the same term all over for simplicity's sake. ^^ This image is "The Singing Butler," by Jack Vettriano. Educational use: Image not public domain. *^* This image is a detail from "Lydia Leaning on Her Arms in a Theatre Box," by Mary Cassatt. Image found here. ^^^ Parts of this image from still shots of the Destiny, from Stargate Universe. Educational use: Image not public domain. *^^ This image is a detail from "L'Estaque," by Paul Cézanne. Image found here. ^** Image modified from "Surveillance, by William Betts. Educational use: Image not public domain. **^ At least, not with our current understanding of technology. ^^* Not even close. 2 8 Quote The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 You might start by saying what DPI stands for Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.atwell Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 I did. :-) Fine, I moved it up a bit. 1 Quote The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbieq25 Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Well written! If you're not in the teaching profession then you should be. Good use of humour too. We need a star emoticon! (Pretty please?) Let me see if I got the gist of what you are saying: Leave the DPI at 96 but resize from the 600 x 800 default since the quality will only improve by upping the size? (Sorry David but it's math! eeewww!) Then when it's ready for putting in the can - (i.e. uploading) save it as a .png & then reduce the size? As a matter of course, I save everything as a .pdn & then save again as a .png & only then do I resize it & hit save again. I like my uploaded images to be between 700 & 850kb for my sanity's sake (ISP sucks) but getting the right kb size is very much trial & error. If you have an easy way to explain this, I'd love to hear it (read it). Usually I work on 1800 x 2400 but I was wondering if there was an optimum multiple? Thank you for taking the time & the effort you put into this tute. (If you'd've presented this to me as an assignment, I'd've given you an A+++). Quote Knowledge is no burden to carry. April Jones, 2012 Gallery My DA Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.atwell Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 Heh, thanks! I appreciate the feedback. Well, short answer: Yes, I'd recommend resizing the canvas at the beginning and making it bigger so you can get more detail into your gorgeous work. That way, if you make small, single-pixel mistakes, you can hide them by shrinking it down. :-) As for good multiples - I recommend you know what your eventual size will be, and work in a multiple of that. For instance, sigs on this forum will eventually be 500x150, so working at 1000x300 is the simplest way to resize. It looks the best when it goes down exactly 50%. So, when you start off a project, increase canvas size by 200% or 400%, and when you're done, resize to 50% or 25% to get your desired size. The computer works best that way. :-) Thank you for your response. Glad somebody made it all the way through. :-) Quote The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oma Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Without a smidgeon of a doubt David, this has to be one of the best written, easiest to understand tut how to's on this forum. I only wish others would take a page from your book when thinking of adding tuts, and make them truly informative instead of just rehashing the same old same old. ciao OMA Quote My Deviant Art Gallery Oma's Paint.Net gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterG Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Thankyou very much for taking the time to write this, its incredibly clear and well written :idea: Peter Quote When nothing short of Divine Intervention can get the job done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.atwell Posted November 19, 2009 Author Share Posted November 19, 2009 Usually I work on 1800 x 2400 but I was wondering if there was an optimum multiple? I answered this in a reply, but I added it to the tutorial-at-large. Find it here. Thankyou very much for taking the time to write this, its incredibly clear and well written :idea: Peter Thank you, I'm glad it helps. :-)Without a smidgeon of a doubt David, this has to be one of the best written, easiest to understand tut how to's on this forum. I only wish others would take a page from your book when thinking of adding tuts, and make them truly informative instead of just rehashing the same old same old. ciao OMA Oma, that means a lot, especially from you. :-) Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed, and yes, I agree - I wish others would write tutorials on concepts rather than procedures.Also, I'd be remiss if I didn't thank user Neil Cassidy for pointing out my little bit of hypocrisy - my working size sig image in section 4 was way outside the bounds of the tutorial guidelines that I, myself, wrote. I have no excuse, and I beg the forgiveness of small monitor and slow network users. Thanks for catching that, Neil. Quote The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibbyH Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 When I found this tut I bookmarked it because I didn't have time to read it. I just now came back and finished it, and wanted to let you know it was really helpful, and really funny. Thanks. Quote My Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theonlychad Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 absolutely brilliant david! That explains a lot of things! thanks for the awesome tutorial! 1 Quote "Clearly it's a very serious and literal meaning. If you're not solving physics equations then get off my lawn!-Rick Brewster Paint.net Lead Developer" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lila Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 David...Being a fan of Vermeer, and studied his few works of art...loved your tutorial. Certainly well explains the way we should work in pixels rather than the old master that worked with dots. I am going to beam this article to keep as it is one that will never be out of date. In art terms trillons of dots sprayed on watercolour, is a different subject...but related. tks... L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.atwell Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 Thanks for your support, guys. I know this is a ton to digest all at once...that's why I made it self-linking, so it's easier to reach a section. I'm glad you got some good out of it. (Vermeer is a brilliant artist.) Quote The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbieq25 Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 David, you have no idea how much frustration & wasted time I went through in saving to the right image size & keeping the kbs down. Many thanks! P.S. The tute is printed & in my folder for future reference but doubt that I will need it. I really have the hang of this one now. Quote Knowledge is no burden to carry. April Jones, 2012 Gallery My DA Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.atwell Posted November 22, 2009 Author Share Posted November 22, 2009 I'm glad I could help. If it helps you in the future, awesome; it's meant to be an ongoing reference, so you can take a look whenever you need to remember something. That's why it's got internal links. :-) Quote The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapistAngel Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 I've been wondering for quite a long time now about the deepest secrets of DPI, and this just did all the wondering for me Thank you very much! Just one thing.. Either I've missed the whole point of the lesson* or there's something amiss there: Or change the DPI to 200 (from 96 (or 50 )). Now it will shrink those pixels to fill a half inch of space (100 / 200 = .5):Holy Glossiness, Batman! The image got a lot higher-quality! -The higher the DPI, the lower the image quality. (And vice versa) *Which would be a shame since it's such a nice one Quote Please forgive my possible complaints. I'm but an annoying little perfectionist when it comes to using english... "I tremble in the presence of your terrifying skills of gardening." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.atwell Posted November 27, 2009 Author Share Posted November 27, 2009 You've missed nothing. Good catch. :-) Alas, I'm afraid you're the victim of a previous draft and something missed in revision. I've corrected it. Thank you for your feedback. Quote The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.atwell Posted December 1, 2009 Author Share Posted December 1, 2009 ...saving to the right image size & keeping the kbs down... Honestly, in modern web design, as long as the image isn't too utterly massive, size isn't much of an issue. They all download in the blink of an eye anyway. ;-) Quote The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbieq25 Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 ...saving to the right image size & keeping the kbs down... Honestly, in modern web design, as long as the image isn't too utterly massive, size isn't much of an issue. They all download in the blink of an eye anyway. ;-) Oh I'd agree on that but we are limited to 2GB/month download...so I have to be careful. Quote Knowledge is no burden to carry. April Jones, 2012 Gallery My DA Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.atwell Posted December 1, 2009 Author Share Posted December 1, 2009 2GB download? What kind of Orwellian state are you living in? I exceed 2GB down in a day sometimes! When i downloaded Adobe CS4 from my school sever, it was 7.5GB down - knocked it out in less than an hour! Wow. Now, if you mean 2GB up, that makes more sense. But still! EDIT: Wow, that sounded...a heck of a lot more frantic than it was meant to. :-P Quote The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbieq25 Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Nope buddy that is all I get per month...all I can afford & then pay a princely sum. *sigh* State is good old Queensland Australia... 1 Quote Knowledge is no burden to carry. April Jones, 2012 Gallery My DA Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.atwell Posted December 1, 2009 Author Share Posted December 1, 2009 Well, then why are you wasting your bandwidth on my silly little tutorial? :-P Go, there's a big big internet out there! Suddenly, every post you make got a little bit more valuable. Quote The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbieq25 Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Coz its not silly, silly. As I said saved me heaps of grief... Quote Knowledge is no burden to carry. April Jones, 2012 Gallery My DA Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.atwell Posted December 1, 2009 Author Share Posted December 1, 2009 Well, I'm honored. Quote The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJXD Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 This is what a tutorial should be, this should be in the Paint.NET user guide if Simon Brown updates (I'd happily trade my spot in there for that one mabye). Thank you very much for clearing up what DPI meant in an easy to understand and slightly hilarious way. I used to think it meant Dots Per Images rather stupidly, in the same way I used to think the "Olden Days" were really black and white. So thanks again Quote |My Sig Tut| Deviant Art |Advanced Grunge Texture|My Gallery The Birthplace of Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Ryan Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Out of curiosity, why isn't this thread stickied? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.