Paint.net puts a long and lot of pressure on the hard disk when installing

iSaad · May 17

Paint.net puts a long and lot of pressure on the hard disk when installing. Why? I'm afraid it will burn my hard disk or at least shorten its life. Its better to use portable version. Please fix this problem. Thanks.

BoltBait · May 17

This is not a problem. Your hard drive is not being worn out by installing Paint.NET.

Tactilis · May 17

41 minutes ago, iSaad said:

Paint.net puts a long and lot of pressure on the hard disk when installing. I'm afraid it will burn my hard disk or at least shorten its life.

Sorry but that's just nonsense. What gives you that idea?

If your computer is slow when installing paint.net, you'd be better off replacing your hard disk drive (HDD) with a solid-state drive (SSD). You'll get much faster performance when installing, starting, and using paint.net... and when booting Windows... and when installing, starting, and using every other app you have.

You may also have limited RAM. Please start paint.net and click :Settings: Settings -> Diagnostics then Copy to clipboard. If you paste the copied text here, people can advise you.

Disk4mat · May 17

A drive using a good amount of storage space and is fragmented will cause the drive to chug and struggle with reading and writing. Run disk cleanup and defrag the drive. To really reclaim storage space try deleteing old system restore points. A little maintenance goes a long way.

Rick Brewster · May 17

There’s nothing to fix. There’s no danger. It’s 2024 and you should be using an SSD by now.

iSaad · May 18

12 hours ago, Tactilis said:

Sorry but that's just nonsense. What gives you that idea?

If your computer is slow when installing paint.net, you'd be better off replacing your hard disk drive (HDD) with a solid-state drive (SSD). You'll get much faster performance when installing, starting, and using paint.net... and when booting Windows... and when installing, starting, and using every other app you have.

You may also have limited RAM. Please start paint.net and click Settings -> Diagnostics then Copy to clipboard. If you paste the copied text here, people can advise you.

My Hard disk is not old and always

My hard disk is not old and is always cleaned and defragmented. But the processor and RAM of my system is old and very weak. My system RAM is 4 GB

During installation, it takes a long time and puts pressure on the my hard disk and My hard disk makes a clicking sound. This is not nonsense😠

My harddisk is Seagate 10TB Surveillance (Seagate ST10000VX0004-1ZE101)

It is 10 terabytes, but because my motherboard is old, only 2 terabytes of it is recognized. MBR motherboard.

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Build Date                                           Tuesday, May 14, 2024
Expiration Date                                      Tuesday, August 6, 2024
Install type                                         Classic

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Edited May 18 by iSaad

Ego Eram Reputo · May 18

12 minutes ago, iSaad said:

it takes a long time and puts pressure on the my hard disk and My hard disk makes a clicking sound.

Yikes! Your HDD should NEVER make clicking noises.

It's time to accept your HDD is plain worn out. Expect it to fail quite soon. This is not nonsense😠

toe_head2001 · May 18

9 minutes ago, iSaad said:

My hard disk makes a clicking sound

Yep, this is an indicator that your hard disk is failing. You should replace it as soon as possible; ideally with an SSD.

8 minutes ago, iSaad said:

OS                                                   Windows 11 Pro x64 (10.0.22631.0)
CPU                                                  Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E4600  @ 2.40GHz

This is an unsupported configuration of Windows 11. (unsupported by Microsoft)

Zagna · May 18

Large drives may make a lot of noise, learned this when we upgraded from 4TB drives to 8TB in our small office NAS.
It can make all the noise it wants in the networking rack.

And that's a NVR Surveillance drive designed for sequential operation. The random operations of normal usage isn't meant for that HDD.

iSaad · May 18

My hard disk is still healthy. When it is pressed, it makes a choking sound or a small click. It is not a new issue.

Tactilis · May 18

As @Zagna says, some HDDs do make a noise as the actuator moves the read/write heads. This is distinct from the Click of Death.

@iSaad The main problems are:

1. You have a HDD rather than a SDD. The read/write speed of a HDD is tens to hundreds of times slower than an SSD.

2. You have a CPU design that was released in 2007. Performance will be poor compared to more modern processors.

3. You have only 4GB of RAM. Windows and your apps will use considerably more than that, so there will be continual swapping out/in to the page file, which is on your HDD, which is slow.

As a minimum, you could change your HDD for a SSD and add more RAM.
But you would be better off with a new PC.

Rick Brewster · May 18

Expecting support, optimization, and “fixes” for an ancient system like that is not reasonable, especially with an HDD. The onus is on you to maintain a reasonable up-to-date PC. Just because "it works fine for me" doesn't mean you can expect others to spend time and effort on your behalf.

For PDN 5.1 that means Intel Core 4th generation (“Haswell”) or AMD Ryzen 1st generation, a GPU that supports Direct3D 11, and an SSD. Anything older and you are on your own, it is not supported, it is “AS IS” and “at your own risk.”

IHaveNoName · May 19

The OP is using a far from ideal primary HDD not really designed for that purpose but it should not be making much noise let alone click.

It might have been helpful if somebody here had suggested the OP use some SMART tool to check the HDD for errors. Tool of choice for me would be CrystalDiscInfo (easily found) not to be confused with CrystalDiscMark the, also useful, HDD/SSD benchmark tool from the same people.

If there are any serious errors flagged he can thank those people here who suggested the HDD may be faulty and needs replacing. At which time he can swap over to a SSD and then everyone will be happy.

Rick Brewster · May 19

2 hours ago, IHaveNoName said:

It might have been helpful if somebody here had suggested the OP use...

You just did Others may not have suggested this because they didn't know about it, or didn't think of it. This highlights another reason why HDD use can't be supported anymore: the knowledge about how to maintain and troubleshoot them is fading away.

Disk4mat · May 20

On 5/19/2024 at 9:42 AM, Rick Brewster said:

the knowledge about how to maintain and troubleshoot them is fading away.

Isnt that the GD sad truth... Even my family members who should know this stuff (we are all 50+) dont think about it.

I think the OP may not have described the noise correctly. Its a typical light tapping noise. Like when an adding machine is tucked under the pillow of your accountant and he is having a nightmare.

On an older pc of mine, the hdd is a lower rpm and often struggles with heavy reads/writes regardless of fragmentation. Laptop BTW.

@Rick Brewster I was just thinking for future TS could you add HDD/SSD information to the log? Just a few basic specs that could be useful several other type of sitations.

Storage Type: (hdd/ssd etc)

Free Space %: Here is where we can find out if the pc is loaded with junk causing read, write, slow load times etc

Rick Brewster · May 21

Yeah, putting HDD vs SSD in the diagnostics is a good idea. I had an issue filed for this but I closed it for some reason, so I've reopened it.

In any event, this is not a general PC technical support forum -- OP will need to look elsewhere to figure out if there's something actually wrong with their HDD.

Paint.net puts a long and lot of pressure on the hard disk when installing

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