reltin Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 (edited) Consider renaming "By percentage" to "To percentage" in resize dialog, as this would more accurately describe the functionality. Edited April 18, 2012 by reltin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Nope. 1 The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reltin Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 Well current caption is incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdnnoob Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 In the sense that you take it, yes it is incorrect. However, when it says "by percentage," it implies "resize" is the verb. Therefore, the phrase being used is "resize by percentage" which can mean two things: resize by a percentage (how you took it), or resize via percentage (which makes it correct). No, Paint.NET is not spyware...but, installing it is an IQ test. ~BoltBait Blend modes are like the filling in your sandwich. It's the filling that can change your experience of the sandwich. ~Ego Eram Reputo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Current caption is correct. 1 The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrochild Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 "To percentage" doesn't even make any sense. ambigram signature by Kemaru [i write plugins and stuff] If you like a post, upvote it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ego Eram Reputo Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 ^^ Agreed. Take the following (largely ficticious) statement: "My salary was increased to percentage xx". vs. "My salary was increased by percentage xx". I just don't see the logic of "to percentage" at all. ebook: Mastering Paint.NET | resources: Plugin Index | Stereogram Tut | proud supporter of Codelab plugins: EER's Plugin Pack | Planetoid | StickMan | WhichSymbol+ | Dr Scott's Markup Renderer | CSV Filetype | dwarf horde plugins: Plugin Browser | ShapeMaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I just don't see the logic of "to percentage" at all. I don't see the grammar in it either. The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reltin Posted April 19, 2012 Author Share Posted April 19, 2012 ^^ Agreed. Take the following (largely ficticious) statement: "My salary was increased to percentage xx". vs. "My salary was increased by percentage xx". I just don't see the logic of "to percentage" at all. If a product cost $100, and the price was reduced BY 10%, it will cost $90, not $10 ( it is 90% of original value). But if you resize an image in PDN BY 10%, it becomes 10% of the original size. If this is a convention in graphics programs, that's fine, but it does fly in the face of normal usage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 Yes but it doesn't say "Resize ... Reduce by percentage:". There's no implicit reduce/increase verb in there. That's not how the implicit sentence is formed. You are specifying the values by percentage or by absolute size. The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ego Eram Reputo Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 I think Reltin is mistakenly concatenating "By Percentage" and the value i.e. "Resize by percentage (of) 10%". As Rick said, that is not implied. Instead think "Resize. By Percentage. 10%." The full stops are important in separating the items. The inference is that the percentage resize is 10% of the original. ebook: Mastering Paint.NET | resources: Plugin Index | Stereogram Tut | proud supporter of Codelab plugins: EER's Plugin Pack | Planetoid | StickMan | WhichSymbol+ | Dr Scott's Markup Renderer | CSV Filetype | dwarf horde plugins: Plugin Browser | ShapeMaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdnnoob Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 (edited) You are specifying the values by percentage or by absolute size. In other words, "through the use of a percentage value." The confusion here is a result of the use of the word "by" which, in this case, can have two meaning depending on how you look at it. I don't quite agree with EER's explanation, but I think we all agree on "by percentage" being correct...EDIT: I like the "forum ninja notification" addition, btw. EER totally ninja'd me there, but at least I got to see what he said before I posted Edited April 19, 2012 by pdnnoob No, Paint.NET is not spyware...but, installing it is an IQ test. ~BoltBait Blend modes are like the filling in your sandwich. It's the filling that can change your experience of the sandwich. ~Ego Eram Reputo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ego Eram Reputo Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Sorry for the ninja there 'noob. If nothing else this discussion reveals how much effort Rick puts into keeping things clear and as simple as possible. Now. About this 'not quite agreeing with me'. (obviously a clear violation of the forum terms and conditions....) Would it be clearer if my example was: "Gee, I'd like to Resize this image. I'd like to keep the same aspect ratio, so I'll guess I'll resize it By a Percentage of the current height and width. I wonder how it would look at 10% of the original size?" ebook: Mastering Paint.NET | resources: Plugin Index | Stereogram Tut | proud supporter of Codelab plugins: EER's Plugin Pack | Planetoid | StickMan | WhichSymbol+ | Dr Scott's Markup Renderer | CSV Filetype | dwarf horde plugins: Plugin Browser | ShapeMaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhmedElyamani Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 I Think both phrases by percentage and to percentage are right in some order since By percentage means : Use percentage , or Resize by using percentage . in the other hand , To percentage means : Resize to this percentage . so both will give the same meaning (not directly) . Ahmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reltin Posted April 20, 2012 Author Share Posted April 20, 2012 The reason I logged this bug, is that I wanted to reduce the size of an image by 20% (ie to 80% of its original size), but it was reduced to 20% of its original size, it took a few seconds to realise what was happening, and I worked around it. "Target size" would be less ambiguous, but since MS Paint uses same convention, let's let this issue go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Ok this is being way over discussed. Thread Closed The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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