spe Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 (edited) Please add keyboard shortcuts (or at least the option to define them) for all the layer commands. When I say, "all the layer commands", I mean a keyboard shortcut to do anything you can do with the mouse in the Layers window. Specifically: Select Next / Previous Layer (or some set of commands to navigate layers.) Move Layer Up / Down, Toggle Layer Visibility, Select Next / Previous Visible Layer could be nice too. This thread from 2006 and this from 2011 asked for similar features.Please implement these shortcuts. Having to grab the mouse to do simple layer operations feels awkward and breaks my flow. Edited May 21, 2014 by spe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 And what keyboard shortcuts would you suggest ... ? Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cc4FuzzyHuggles Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 (edited) Spe, if you want to think on shortcut keys to suggest for layers, here is a great list of paint.net 3's shortcut keys. http://www.getpaint.net/doc/latest/KeyboardMouseCommands.html I don't think it includes paint.net 4.0 though, so if you don't have 4.0 yet, try installing it and finding all of it's shortcut keys, to see if you can come up with keys that are still available. Edited May 8, 2014 by Cc4FuzzyHuggles Quote *~ Cc4FuzzyHuggles Gallery ~* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midora Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 I like how MS Visual C handles command key combinations.There you are pressing first a command key like CTRL+L to enter a command group and second a single letter to execute a command in the group. In the menu entry the shortcut shows both keys separated by a comma. This opens a wide range of new shortcuts. An example for the layer command group starting with CTRL+L: Ctrl+L,N: New Layer Ctrl+L,Del: DeleteLayer Ctrl+L,D: Duplicate Layer Ctrl+L,M: Merge Layer Down Ctrl+L,Up: Move Layer Up Ctrl+L,Down: Move Layer Down Ctrl+L,Shift+Up: Move Layer to Top Ctrl+L,Shift+Down: Move Layer To Bottom Ctrl+L,L: Import from File Ctrl+L,H: Flip Horizontal Ctrl+L,F: Flip Vertical Ctrl+L,Z: Rotate Ctrl+L,I: Properties Ctrl+L,V:Visibility Ctrl+L,P:Paste into New Layer But I'm a developer so this may be too complex for users (also to support). Or just improve the current mechanism using Alt+L to open the layer menu and then ALT+key for the underlined entry. More difficult to support in other UI-languages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Okay, but I don't have a system for handling keyboard shortcut chords. I certainly won't be making a change like that for 4.0 at this point. Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midora Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 So for the future maybe the leadin Ctrl+L could already be reserved now. I implemented this once with some small differences to MSVC: - ESC has been used to cancel a started chord. - Repeating the chord leadin char has been ignored - After pressing the leadin and a certain timeout a shortcut menu showed the possible continuation keys. - The statusbar told which chord group was active. In my list above I missed the layer commands to change the selected layer up/down/top/bottom. My favorite missing shortcut is to open the last used effect dialog. Maybe Ctrl+E (which would require to change paint.net search to let's say F2 ;-) One addition could be to allow the user to assign commands to Ctrl+F1 to Ctrl+F10. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.atwell Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 (which would require to change paint.net search to let's say F2 ;-) F2 is well known to mean "New," like F1 is the well-known "Help" and F5 the well-known "Refresh." F3 is usually search. Quote The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midora Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 F2 is well known to mean "New," like F1 is the well-known "Help" and F5 the well-known "Refresh." F3 is usually search. Thanks David. For sure I had F3 in mind and not F2. And you reminded me that F5 to reopen the active image is on my list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.atwell Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 That could be dangerous. Reopening the active image would essentially wipe the entire history and clean every dirty tool at best (and lose all changes at worst). Especially since I don't see much more than a niche use for it, I'd prefer to leave F5 part of the 4-finger salute (toolbox, colors, history, layers). Quote The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ego Eram Reputo Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I like Midora's suggestion that Ctrl+E (or whatever) reopens the last plugin dialog. That would be useful! Quote ebook: Mastering Paint.NET | resources: Plugin Index | Stereogram Tut | proud supporter of Codelab plugins: EER's Plugin Pack | Planetoid | StickMan | WhichSymbol+ | Dr Scott's Markup Renderer | CSV Filetype | dwarf horde plugins: Plugin Browser | ShapeMaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spe Posted May 19, 2014 Author Share Posted May 19, 2014 Spe, if you want to think on shortcut keys to suggest for layers, here is a great list of paint.net 3's shortcut keys. http://www.getpaint.net/doc/latest/KeyboardMouseCommands.html I don't think it includes paint.net 4.0 though, so if you don't have 4.0 yet, try installing it and finding all of it's shortcut keys, to see if you can come up with keys that are still available. Thanks, but unfortunately there is no shortcut for changing the current layer. =( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cc4FuzzyHuggles Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 (edited) I think you missed my point. I gave that link partly because it is a collection of Paint.NET's shortcut keys, which is nice, but I mainly gave it to you based off of Rick's question.Rick asked, what keyboard keys would you suggest to be used as the shortcut keys for the layers? The list is a list of the keys that are already in use (it may be out dated though), if you can figure out which keys are not already in use, you can suggest the unused keys as shortcut keys for the layers. Then, you can hope that the shortcut keys that you, or someone else, suggests will be added in later versions of the program. Sorry the shortcut keys you want aren't in Paint.NET yet, but maybe with time, someday they will be. Edited May 19, 2014 by Cc4FuzzyHuggles Quote *~ Cc4FuzzyHuggles Gallery ~* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spe Posted May 19, 2014 Author Share Posted May 19, 2014 Why not use the Page Up and Page Down keys for Move Layer Up / Down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ego Eram Reputo Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 In version 4.0x you can drag layers with the mouse. Rick has some really nice animations to accompany these actions. Quote ebook: Mastering Paint.NET | resources: Plugin Index | Stereogram Tut | proud supporter of Codelab plugins: EER's Plugin Pack | Planetoid | StickMan | WhichSymbol+ | Dr Scott's Markup Renderer | CSV Filetype | dwarf horde plugins: Plugin Browser | ShapeMaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spe Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) Okay maby the idea with the Page Up and Page Down keys isn't very good, but why not use TAB and TAB+SHIFT for Select Next / Previous Layer? Edited May 21, 2014 by spe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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