new to paint.net, suggestions

[Peter1]

1 hour ago, Reptillian said:

You can rename .ora to .zip, then extract.

 but I don't get the .pdn from inside it.

[Peter1]

2 hours ago, Rick Brewster said:

I'm still not sure exactly why you need all this, but I don't have any plans to add built-in ZIP support.

That's ok, it would be a nice-to-have feature, and it would be nice if the zip add-on would have done or will do it, as it has already most of the development.  I can't develop this add-on, I'm too far away from Windows programming.

 

But - do you have plans, or is already available the PDN stream to a FileType addon?

 

Why?: I prefer zip (versioned, time-stamped) for frequent backups of my work.

Working in paint.net it seemed useful to have it from the Save-As command, and maybe it was available?

Edited February 5, 2022 by Peter1
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[otuncelli]

55 minutes ago, Peter1 said:

Why?: I prefer zip (versioned, time-stamped) for frequent backups of my work.

 

Did you try this method: 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/recover-lost-or-deleted-files-7bf065bf-f1ea-0a78-c1cf-7dcf51cc8bfc

 

You can also try storing the pdn in OneDrive or Google Drive. They provide version history feature.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/restore-a-previous-version-of-a-file-stored-in-onedrive-159cad6d-d76e-4981-88ef-de6e96c93893

[Rick Brewster]

Sounds like you want something akin to the File History that's already built-in to Windows.

 

You could rig up a script, even a small C# program with LinqPAD utilizing System.IO.FIleSystemWatcher, that monitors the folder where you save your images, and it could just make a time-stamped ZIP file when it notices a new file.

 

This doesn't sound like something that needs an in-app plugin/solution.

[midora]

 

Save the effect in the Effect folder.

'Effects/Tools/Watch and Zip' allows you to set the folder to watch.

All .pdn files in this folder (and all subfolders) will be zipped on file create and on file change while paint.net is running.

 

 

 

[Peter1]

6 hours ago, otuncelli said:

Did you try this method: 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/recover-lost-or-deleted-files-7bf065bf-f1ea-0a78-c1cf-7dcf51cc8bfc

 

You can also try storing the pdn in OneDrive or Google Drive. They provide version history feature.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/restore-a-previous-version-of-a-file-stored-in-onedrive-159cad6d-d76e-4981-88ef-de6e96c93893

 

5 hours ago, Rick Brewster said:

Sounds like you want something akin to the File History that's already built-in to Windows.

 

You could rig up a script, even a small C# program with LinqPAD utilizing System.IO.FIleSystemWatcher, that monitors the folder where you save your images, and it could just make a time-stamped ZIP file when it notices a new file.

 

This doesn't sound like something that needs an in-app plugin/solution.

 

49 minutes ago, midora said:

WatchAndZip.Effect.zip 8.45 kB · 1 download

Save the effect in the Effect folder.

'Effects/Tools/Watch and Zip' allows you to set the folder to watch.

All .pdn files in this folder (and all subfolders) will be zipped on file create and on file change while paint.net is running.

 

 

 

 

First many thanks to midora for programming this so quickly!

 

These solutions all surely do store away. The harder time comes when it is time to use some of them, and dispose of some others  (them=the stored files, not the solutions).

 

I believe I got the answer to my point, inasmuch as .PDN.ZIP is not available as a "precooked" feature in the save-as dialog.

Edited February 6, 2022 by Peter1
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[fd2]

Hi all
My suggestions are:

• folders for layers (just to convenient move group of it. it can be without any blend or alpha properties)
• horizontal and vertical guides (drag from top/left ruller to get it). right now i just draw lines, it's very inconvenient

[Rick Brewster]

On 2/4/2022 at 12:40 PM, Rick Brewster said:

No, I won't be adding special-purpose shortcut keys like that. A shortcut to toggle the visibility makes sense though, and may be added at some point.

 

You can try this out now with the 4.3.8 beta I just released: 

 

[Peter1]

Can I copy the settings file "PaintDotNet.AppSettings.json" over, when I'm using the portable versions? Of course I copied it over.

Would the installer preserve or convert the settings file? or is that not an issue to be cary of?

 

[Rick Brewster]

The installed version doesn't use the settings.json file. I may add the ability to import/export at some point, but it's very low priority. It's not difficult to recreate the settings, it's mostly just things like File->Open Recent list, any customizations in Settings->Tools, and of course the Settings->UI values.

 

The installed version puts settings into the registry. If you want you can make the portable version do this too, just modify PaintDotNet.Configuration.json so that EnablePortableMode is set to false. It'll load plugins from Documents/paint.net App Files, etc. This "un-portable-izes" the portable version, even though it's still essentially "portable" if you're only using it on 1 PC.

[Peter1]

On 2/13/2022 at 9:32 PM, Rick Brewster said:

 

You can try this out now with the 4.3.8 beta I just released: 

 

 

 

(1) can we have (try UX) the Visibility toggle near ALT+PgUp, ALT+PgDn?  of course something with ALT, perhaps ALT+End, instead of ctrl+,

 

1 hour ago, Rick Brewster said:

The installed version doesn't use the settings.json file. I may add the ability to import/export at some point, but it's very low priority. It's not difficult to recreate the settings, it's mostly just things like File->Open Recent list, any customizations in Settings->Tools, and of course the Settings->UI values.

 

The installed version puts settings into the registry. If you want you can make the portable version do this too, just modify PaintDotNet.Configuration.json so that EnablePortableMode is set to false. It'll load plugins from Documents/paint.net App Files, etc. This "un-portable-izes" the portable version, even though it's still essentially "portable" if you're only using it on 1 PC.

 

 

(1) can we have (try the user experience) the Visibility toggle near ALT+PgUp, ALT+PgDn?  of course something with ALT, perhaps ALT+End, instead of ctrl+,

On HP notebooks there is no longer a right CTRL, at least on the international keyboards. Therefore CTRL+, is extra difficult, but I believe the shortcut for toggling the visibility is mostly useful together with moving the active layer.

 

(2) I'm quite happy to copy "PaintDotNet.AppSettings.json" over, together with the languages "spoken" on the island of Anguilla (en-AI, de-AI). As with the portable version overall. And perhaps I move my location to Niue.

 

Edited February 16, 2022 by Peter1

[BoltBait]

14 hours ago, Peter1 said:

(1) can we have (try the user experience) the Visibility toggle near ALT+PgUp, ALT+PgDn?  of course something with ALT, perhaps ALT+End, instead of ctrl+,

On HP notebooks there is no longer a right CTRL, at least on the international keyboards. Therefore CTRL+, is extra difficult, but I believe the shortcut for toggling the visibility is mostly useful together with moving the active layer.

 

Ctrl+, was chosen because that's what Photoshop uses which is very helpful for people who toggle between the two programs.

[Rick Brewster]

I agree that Ctrl+, is clumsy when used alongside Alt+PgUp/PgDown, but there aren't really a lot of good choices for keyboard shortcuts since they're pretty fully allocated at this point.

[Kamikaze]

We need more buttons on our keyboards..

[Peter1]

3 hours ago, Rick Brewster said:

I agree that Ctrl+, is clumsy when used alongside Alt+PgUp/PgDown, but there aren't really a lot of good choices for keyboard shortcuts since they're pretty fully allocated at this point.

not only clumsy but not worth the trouble of having the shortcut, and how does Adobe Photoshop go up and down in layers?  ALT+end comes to mind, because End is near to PgUp/PgDn.

On the very first Adobe program (Adobe PageMaker) I modded the keyboard allocations for our market (country) because it was just not adapted to our keyboard.

 

(+) Another issue, can you please make the Visible checkbox larger? I even so oft miss it and the get an active Layer change, or simply miss outside of the Layers window border. The active Layer change click area is much larger than the Visible click area.

[Rick Brewster]

Photoshop uses Alt + [ and Alt + ]

[Peter1]

1 minute ago, Rick Brewster said:

Photoshop uses Alt + [ and Alt + ]

Thank you. These Photoshop shortcuts would probably match ctrl+, by vicinity, on an English or similar keyboard.

Alt+End, asking again..? to match Alt+PgUp/Alt+PgDn

[Rick Brewster]

Alt+End should probably be reserved for another keyboard shortcut that needs to move or navigate to the end of something.

[Peter1]

1 hour ago, Rick Brewster said:

Alt+End should probably be reserved for another keyboard shortcut that needs to move or navigate to the end of something.

not really, because go to the first or last layer is handled by ctrl+alt+PgUp/PgDn and not  by alt+Home or Alt+End (consistently). Two of the Alt+xxx are already committed to the Layers windows.

 

how about alt+num keypad -? or what would please you, near ALT+pgup/pgdn

 

(+)something different yet, something new, I get a lot of Move Pixels in the history; I can't even say when a new line gets added. Could they be numbered? That is the whole history numbered such that it is also possible to reference (taking note for example) a certain state.

(I do have to align 2 images and judge it, it is not clear what is best, and it is contradictory, it would really be useful to be able to distinguish them)

[Rick Brewster]

5 minutes ago, RoonieW said:

One thing I would like to have is the color selection dropper to be able to select the color that is visible even if you are not in the layer where this color is. 

But that is just my opinion, I still think this program is amazing as it is. 

 

You can use Sampling: Image in the toolbar, or hold Ctrl when you click.

[Peter1]

On 2/16/2022 at 11:31 PM, Rick Brewster said:

I agree that Ctrl+, is clumsy when used alongside Alt+PgUp/PgDown, but there aren't really a lot of good choices for keyboard shortcuts since they're pretty fully allocated at this point.

I vote (as of tonight, very early morning) for ctrl+click to toggle the visibility. This is near to click to change the layer, and does not require a very precise hitting the visibility checkbox.