lukadad Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 In my opinion paint.net is a great program, but it needs a few things. Not the program itself but the website. First of all we are all professional graphikers and if we tried to create a good design for the home page i think that we would come up with something good. i am ready to provide you with a script and some designs. Secondly you need to change the forum because your forum is done in forumer.com which causes laughter for me i think that you need a more professional forum. I am ready to help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedHONDA Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 This has been said before, but Rick likes it as it is. Quote "The greatest thing about the Internet is that you can write anything you want and give it a false source." ~Ezra Pound twtr | dA | tmblr | yt | fb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukadad Posted April 12, 2007 Author Share Posted April 12, 2007 This has been said before, but Rick likes it as it is. the thing is that it doesn't help at all. on the other hand it prevents people from downloading it. My friends are good website designers and when they saw the website and the forum, They said that "who would be able to do a good program when they can not do a web site" , i understand that this is just easy to do and all but it is only enough to mention that it is for an open source program and most hosts will give a free account and most design groups will provide free designs. And i can get these people for you. And the design of the homepage can be done with paint.net and boltbaints html auditor which will be a demonstration of your force and i think that this will provide you with more people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 The forum is staying as-is because I don't want to spend time maintaining it. By having it on forumer.com it takes away almost all of the maintenance and management burden. Which gives me more time to work on Paint.NET, do other work, drink beer, hang out with girls, etc. Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barkbark00 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Well that's sexist! JK... Hey, what about letting one of your Mods maintain a new forum? Quote  Take responsibility for your own intelligence. 😉 -Rick Brewster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukadad Posted April 12, 2007 Author Share Posted April 12, 2007 The forum is staying as-is because I don't want to spend time maintaining it. By having it on forumer.com it takes away almost all of the maintenance and management burden. Which gives me more time to work on Paint.NET, do other work, drink beer, hang out with girls, etc. alright and what about the homepage?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 The home page is fine, I'm not changing it. It works fine and I am able to maintain it myself with the tools that I want. The only thing that really needs some lovin' is the Features page, since those screenshots are from v2.5. I get people offering to redo it every month or so, either through e-mail or via this forum here. I've declined every single offer, and I really wish people would stop. Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukadad Posted April 12, 2007 Author Share Posted April 12, 2007 ok then what about a little pr champaign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagedavis Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 It's FREEWARE. More than that IT'S GREAT FREEWARE. It speaks for itself. I know people who have never logged on to the message board who use PDN. I know about 3 people who fit this description. I would make fair bet that if you take the number of people on this board and double it, you would probably get close to the number of people who use PDN. Which means, it's doing pretty good on it's own. Why publicize? anim8or doesn't, gimp doesn't. It's a waste of time to publisize. I mean, if you want to put a link to PDN on your own websites, or in your sig for other message boards, I am sure that would be fine, but, I don't see a need to "campaign". What would be the point? No one makes money off of it. I think it's great that you are eager to help in the process, but, really the only "help" needed is for some good tutorials, and maybe some plugins to be designed, and of course, answer questions when folks are stuck on how to do something. Actually, believe it or not... just posting to the forum is helpful, as it bumps keywords for google. Sage Quote When in doubt, Try it out. I made this sig file using http://www.anim8or.com and making all of the textures with http://www.getpaint.net I love freeware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barkbark00 Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 ...I would make fair bet that if you take the number of people on this board and double it, you would probably get close to the number of people who use PDN... Paint.NET was downloaded almost 85,000 times last week (and that's just from BetaNews).) I think there are more than 6904(Total Forum Members x2) users of PDN... Quote  Take responsibility for your own intelligence. 😉 -Rick Brewster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagedavis Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 WOW, more than 12 times as many people on the board in 1 week, I guess I had grossly under rated PDN. :-) Horray for Paint.net. Quote When in doubt, Try it out. I made this sig file using http://www.anim8or.com and making all of the textures with http://www.getpaint.net I love freeware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 I'm not sure a "PR campaign" is the most cost effective way to do things. I could spend $1000 on some Google or Live Search ads, but in the end I believe it'd be either a wash or a waste. There's actually been a good amount of publicity around Paint.NET recently anyway from the likes of LifeHacker, WebUser (UK), PC World (US), C|Net, and Download.com. Check this thread for various links, http://paintdotnet.12.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=2893 Also, having monthly updates keeps a lot of recurring attention on the project. Every time a new feature is added, someone finds it really useful and keeps the program on their hard drive. They then recommend it to more people, etc. etc. It's a very good positive reinforcement cycle. And why pay for advertising when I can make a blog post about the new release and literally have it echo'd all over the web? http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch ... &scoring=d In the end, "PR campaigns" are soooo 20th century Like sagedavis said, if you want to help Paint.NET then the best thing you can do is be active on this forum: help newbies, write good tutorials, etc. Recommend it to friends, etc. And yeah, there are quite a few more than 6,904 users of Paint.NET ... ! Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Also, according to my Google stats, the website is doing about 750,000 page impressions per month. Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Man Dan Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 My friends are good website designers and when they saw the website and the forum, They said that "who would be able to do a good program when they can not do a web site" Well, I'm a good web designer, and I know I sure as bacon can't program a C# app. Seriously, they're two completely different skills. The current PDN site isn't flashy, but it's well organized and easy to read. That alone makes it better than 80% of the rest of the internet. Still, I'd be happy to do a redesign of the PDN si... *is shot* X_x Quote I am not a mechanism, I am part of the resistance; I am an organism, an animal, a creature, I am a beast. ~ Becoming the Archetype Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagedavis Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 I didn't even notice that quote of Lukedad's that CMD had just pasted. I am NOT being mean at all, but, I am assuming that you are probably a young guy, and that your friends are also, because, this statement is something that I personally would have made when I was like... oh... 19 or 20. Being a pro web designer myself with a pretty big U.S.A based company, and knowing many people "in the biz" as they say. I know far too many people who can program in C, C++, even Assembly, who know squat about web design. Knowing or not knowing one, has nothing to do with the other. It's pretty much like saying that Snickers can't make a good candy bar because they can't build a website. In this case however, this isn't snickers, it's a FREE PROGRAM... and if someone judges the software by the website (read, book by the cover), then it's their loss for not downloading the software. No money exchanged means, no skin off anyone's hide. Besides, I am of two minds. I mean, I tell my friends about PDN, but, there is so much that I can do with it, I sometimes wish I would keep my big mouth shut, so that I can show off what I can do with it, and they don't have access to the tool... LOL... I know, I know, I am so shamefull. Sage Quote When in doubt, Try it out. I made this sig file using http://www.anim8or.com and making all of the textures with http://www.getpaint.net I love freeware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Lionhearted Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 Me...I try for both and fail miserably. Quote My Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukadad Posted April 13, 2007 Author Share Posted April 13, 2007 In pr i mean weather i have the right to display paint.net logos and banners on my websites in order to help others find out about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barkbark00 Posted April 13, 2007 Share Posted April 13, 2007 Go for it! The PND license allows for that type of use of the Logo and Banners. Quote  Take responsibility for your own intelligence. 😉 -Rick Brewster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmB23 Posted April 14, 2007 Share Posted April 14, 2007 First of all we are all professional graphikers First of all there is no such thing as a graphiker, it's graphics artist or similar. Second, I doubt a lot of us make a living out of this. I don't. Just for... painting things and fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukadad Posted April 14, 2007 Author Share Posted April 14, 2007 i agree to you. I do not think may of us make a living from this business. I personally do it for fun and just to pay for my hosting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukadad Posted April 15, 2007 Author Share Posted April 15, 2007 The forum is staying as-is because I don't want to spend time maintaining it. By having it on forumer.com it takes away almost all of the maintenance and management burden. Which gives me more time to work on Paint.NET, do other work, drink beer, hang out with girls, etc. Oh and to transfer the forum all you need is to back up the mysql database save the backup and upload it somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cokemonkey11 Posted April 15, 2007 Share Posted April 15, 2007 Theres 1 really easy way to fix the deal with the forum. make a page on your server that includes: Case closed. forum is on website, but no hassle or management. Im bookmarking this page (something I don't do often) and im gonna check back. Reply would be great Rick. Peace, Coke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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