g200 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Hello Sirs ! I need your help...PC: Win8 x64 / 16 GB ram / sli gtx 560Priority: Height or Real TimePagefile: ON (10Gb) Not enough memory for Paint.NET ?? WTF ?It happens when I load a lot of DDS files (50 - 150 and more), in the middle of this queue. Please don't ask me to load fewer files, my config is should to be enough for Paint.NET... Application version: Paint.NET версия 3.5.11 (Final Release сборка 3.511.4977.23443) Time of crash: 24.09.2013 0:40:20 Application uptime: 00:17:39.5725873 Install directory: C:\Program Files\Paint.NET Current directory: C:\Program Files\Paint.NET OS Version: 6.2.9200.0 Workstation x64 .NET version: CLR 2.0.50727.6407 x64, FX 2.0 (rtm sp1 sp2) 3.0 (rtm sp1 sp2) 3.5 (rtm sp1 sp1_CP) 4.0 (rtm rtmEx) Processor: 8x "Intel® Core i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz" @ ~3392MHz (DEP, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4_1, SSE4_2), fps=0x0 Physical memory: 16367 MB UI DPI: 96,00 dpi (1,00x scale) UI Theme: Aero/Aero + DWM (Aero.msstyles) Updates: true, 19.09.2013 Locale: pdnr.c: ru, hklm: ru, hkcu: RU, cc: ru-RU, cuic: ru Exception details: System.OutOfMemoryException: Insufficient memory to continue the execution of the program. at System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.IPersistStream.Load(IStream pstm) at System.Windows.Forms.Cursor.LoadPicture(IStream stream) at PaintDotNet.PdnResources.GetCursor2(String fileName) at D:\src\pdn\pdn_3_5_11\src\Resources\PdnResources.cs:row 402 at PaintDotNet.Tools.Tool.Activate() at D:\src\pdn\pdn_3_5_11\src\PaintDotNet\Tools\Tool.cs:row 663 at PaintDotNet.Controls.DocumentWorkspace.SetTool(Tool copyMe) at D:\src\pdn\pdn_3_5_11\src\PaintDotNet\Controls\DocumentWorkspace.cs:row 1098 at PaintDotNet.Controls.DocumentWorkspace.PopNullTool() at D:\src\pdn\pdn_3_5_11\src\PaintDotNet\Controls\DocumentWorkspace.cs:row 1060 at PaintDotNet.PushNullToolMode.Dispose() at D:\src\pdn\pdn_3_5_11\src\PaintDotNet\PushNullToolMode.cs:row 35 at PaintDotNet.Menus.EffectMenuBase.RunEffectImpl(Type effectType) at D:\src\pdn\pdn_3_5_11\src\PaintDotNet\Menus\EffectMenuBase.cs:row 1089 at PaintDotNet.Menus.EffectMenuBase.RunEffect(Type effectType) at D:\src\pdn\pdn_3_5_11\src\PaintDotNet\Menus\EffectMenuBase.cs:row 695 at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.RaiseEvent(Object key, EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripMenuItem.OnClick(EventArgs e) at PaintDotNet.Menus.PdnMenuItem.OnClick(EventArgs e) at D:\src\pdn\pdn_3_5_11\src\PaintDotNet\Menus\PdnMenuItem.cs:row 302 at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.HandleClick(EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.HandleMouseUp(MouseEventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStrip.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mea) at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripDropDown.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mea) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStrip.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripDropDown.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoltBait Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 ... load fewer files... You have solved your own problem! Quote Download: BoltBait's Plugin Pack | CodeLab | and a Free Computer Dominos Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.atwell Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 my config is should to be enough for Paint.NET... 16 GB for 50+ DDS files? Not even close. .DDS files are well-known to be huge, and your memory requirement increases exponentially with every image and layer you have open. Toss in necessary scratch space and other program and OS overhead, and you're talking about a massive memory requirement that you're nowhere near. (Read this thread for more info on that; you may not be getting that error, but this is why you're having issues) You will have to open fewer images at a time. Perhaps an automation or batch processing program would be more what you're looking for. Quote The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ego Eram Reputo Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 It happens when I load a lot of DDS files (50 - 150 and more), in the middle of this queue. Please don't ask me to load fewer files, my config is should to be enough for Paint.NET... My Honda won't win the Indianapolis 500. Please don't ask me to buy a race car I'm just having a laugh (with you, not at you) g200. I think BoltBait and David have answered your question. On the other hand - you could double or treble the amount of RAM you have if you really HAVE to load that number of files. Quote ebook: Mastering Paint.NET | resources: Plugin Index | Stereogram Tut | proud supporter of Codelab plugins: EER's Plugin Pack | Planetoid | StickMan | WhichSymbol+ | Dr Scott's Markup Renderer | CSV Filetype | dwarf horde plugins: Plugin Browser | ShapeMaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g200 Posted September 24, 2013 Author Share Posted September 24, 2013 You have solved your own problem! OK.. Why Photoshop & GIMP 2 are working with no crashes ? Just I don't like their's iterface My Honda won't win the Indianapolis 500. Please don't ask me to buy a race car I'm just having a laugh (with you, not at you) g200. I think BoltBait and David have answered your question. On the other hand - you could double or treble the amount of RAM you have if you really HAVE to load that number of files. Why Photoshop & GIMP 2 are working with no crashes ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ego Eram Reputo Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Perhaps they manage memory in a different way? Quote ebook: Mastering Paint.NET | resources: Plugin Index | Stereogram Tut | proud supporter of Codelab plugins: EER's Plugin Pack | Planetoid | StickMan | WhichSymbol+ | Dr Scott's Markup Renderer | CSV Filetype | dwarf horde plugins: Plugin Browser | ShapeMaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoltBait Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 I suspect that when Paint.NET 4.0 comes out you won't have this problem. It has a completely new memory manager which is much more efficient than the one built into 3.x. NOTE: I do not know WHEN version 4.0 will ship. Sorry. Quote Download: BoltBait's Plugin Pack | CodeLab | and a Free Computer Dominos Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.atwell Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 You didn't read the page I linked to. :-) There, Rick says: Programs like Photoshop and The GIMP have complicated memory managers that tile the image, swapping it out to scratch pads (disk) as necessary. This impacts coding complexity because every part of the application that works with the image must take the tiling in to consideration. It also affects performance, but has the advantage of being able to work with much larger images. For Paint.NET, I purposely chose a design that enabled coding simplicity for many reasons. But as BoltBait said, that will probably be fixed when Version 4.0 is released. Quote The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g200 Posted September 24, 2013 Author Share Posted September 24, 2013 I suspect that when Paint.NET 4.0 comes out you won't have this problem. It has a completely new memory manager which is much more efficient than the one built into 3.x. NOTE: I do not know WHEN version 4.0 will ship. Sorry. I shall wait a new release )) Because of PaintNet does not have any batch processor I had to write an Autoit Script... Now I use ScriptLab + simple AutoIt script and had 2 crashes for 4 hours with the same count of opened DDS files )) PaintNet fails when I perform a lot of mouse actions (only standart effects installed). Maybe there is some issues with Tools / Menus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ego Eram Reputo Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 If the problem is the same error there is little that can be done. If the error is different then please report this separately. Quote ebook: Mastering Paint.NET | resources: Plugin Index | Stereogram Tut | proud supporter of Codelab plugins: EER's Plugin Pack | Planetoid | StickMan | WhichSymbol+ | Dr Scott's Markup Renderer | CSV Filetype | dwarf horde plugins: Plugin Browser | ShapeMaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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