Mister F Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 I've noticed two inconsistencies. First the regular 'a' font in New Times Roman text does not match the italicized 'a'. Either works for me, but they should be the same. Second. The marks of the apostrophe and quotation marks should match the comma mark, and don't. You might note that the all these marks in this topic field's font somewhat match each other. My regrets that I am old and hapless when iT comes to making such a report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactilis Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 (edited) Welcome to the forum @Mister F 4 hours ago, Mister F said: First the regular 'a' font in New Times Roman text does not match the italicized 'a'. In what way are you expecting them to match? 4 hours ago, Mister F said: The marks of the apostrophe and quotation marks should match the comma mark, and don't. You are probably referring to what are often called 'curly quotes', or 'smart quotes' in Microsoft Word (for example), Here are two lines of text from paint.net in Times New Roman: The top line is regular. The bottom line is italic. From left to right, the characters are: Lowercase A Apostrophe Quotation Mark Comma Left Single Quotation Mark Right Single Quotation Mark Left Double Quotation Mark Right Double Quotation Mark There are no inconsistencies. It is working as expected. Edited April 28 by Tactilis Added a reference to curly quotes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixey Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Could be that they are supposed to be different @Mister F How are italics different from roman type? Italics are sloping letters. Roman type is upright and the default font type. Italic type makes text stand out from surrounding roman type.Apr 19, 2023 Quote How I made Jennifer & Halle in Paint.net My Gallery | My Deviant Art "Rescuing one animal may not change the world, but for that animal their world is changed forever!" anon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDP Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 There are two types of italic - roman letters slanted electronically, and true italics, eg, italics that are generated as italic when the font is first written Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactilis Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 5 hours ago, BDP said: There are two types of italic - roman letters slanted electronically, and true italics, eg, italics that are generated as italic when the font is first written Not sure I agree with that statement. Roman type = normal = upright = regular https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_type I think you are referring to Oblique type = slanted roman = sloped roman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oblique_type Italic, as you say, is distinct https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italic_type - but there are not two types of italic. In any case, @Mister F is referring to regular vs italic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDP Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 But it all depends whether he is using a Roman font, and then slanting it. Which is not the same as a font drawn as italic in the first place But you can disagree if you feel the need to - I was only trying to point out the differences Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactilis Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 2 minutes ago, BDP said: But it all depends whether he is using a Roman font, and then slanting it. But you can't do that in paint.net; you can only have Regular or Italic. Lightbulb moment... I've just realised that when @Mister F says - the regular 'a' in Times New Roman text does not match the italicized 'a' - he simply means that the way the letters are drawn is different: But that's to be expected because that is how the font was designed. It's not an inconsistency and it has nothing to do with paint.net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welsh Yellow Cheddar Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 @Mister F You may need to use an alternative font to Times New Roman such as Baskerville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDP Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Just checked a few of my PostScript Type 1 fonts, and almost all of them differentiate the 'a' when in Roman or Italic, and the 'f' as well, which has a descender when italic. So it's not a PDN problem - it is drawing them correctly. And it's not a font problem, that is how they are designed Phew! Pleased the Lightbulb went on... Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Tactilis Posted April 28 Solution Share Posted April 28 @Mister F if you want curly single or double quotes instead of the straight quotes, then the easiest way is to type pairs of quotes in Word* and then copy & paste the characters into paint.net. * or any other app that auto-converts straight to curly quotes. Alternatively, you can use ANSI ALT codes to type the characters directly into paint.net as follows: ALT 0145 ‘ Left Single Quotation Mark ALT 0146 ’ Right Single Quotation Mark ALT 0147 “ Left Double Quotation Mark ALT 0148 ” Right Double Quotation Mark The way you type these is: Make sure you switch on NumLock on your keyboard Press and hold down the Alt key Type the ALT code digits on the numeric pad (it does not work using the normal 0-9 digits) Release the Alt key and the symbol will appear I mostly use this approach when entering the degree symbol ° (ALT 0176) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister F Posted May 12 Author Share Posted May 12 Well, damn, I never looked closely but in the word program I use with WPS the italicised 'a' is also radically different from the non. At least to my eye. Still, iT's the only letter that is that different in nature. I can live with that. I'll have to research ANSI ALT codes, or whatever else further about curly quote marks. I've been copying and pasting and iT's a major pain. As Donald Sutherland might say, "I only drive tanks. I don't know what makes 'em work." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactilis Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 38 minutes ago, Mister F said: Well, damn, I never looked closely but in the word program I use with WPS the italicised 'a' is also radically different from the non. @Mister F It has nothing to do with the program you are using; it's simply the design of the font. In Times New Roman, regular and italic 'a' are intended to be different. 48 minutes ago, Mister F said: Still, it's the only letter that is that different in nature. The letter 'f' is also somewhat different in Times New Roman for regular and italic: 55 minutes ago, Mister F said: I'll have to research ANSI ALT codes, or whatever else further about curly quote marks. I've been copying and pasting and it's a major pain. There's nothing to research; just follow the simple steps described above, then you won't have to copy and paste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister F Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 OK, iT is pretty simple. This caught me at a bad time I guess when I first read iT, although a first read is often a bad time. As I get old old old I find more and more often I have not seen things very well on a first look, or even a second or third. I see other old people who never see things differently after the first look. And now I know an alt code. Woo Hoo. Thank you. I still don't see why there isn't curly quotes in Times New Roman in paintnet. I did a quick survey and there are no curly quote marks, and iT is said curly quote marks are VERY popular iF not preferred. That's probably opinion to a degree, but not mine. I was just trying to be consistent with what first occurred in the document I was distorting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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