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43 minutes ago, JohnTheBudderman said:

I'm actually not huge on the uniform resizing, is there a way to disable it? Holding down ctrl is also how you zoom out, so not being to zoom out without the uniform thing also happening is pretty inconvenient.

 

Those two things are mutually exclusive, you have to be holding down the left mouse button to resize uniformly. Zooming is Ctrl + Mouse Wheel, the left mouse button isn't involved.

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On 4/1/2023 at 8:08 AM, Rick Brewster said:

 

Those two things are mutually exclusive, you have to be holding down the left mouse button to resize uniformly. Zooming is Ctrl + Mouse Wheel, the left mouse button isn't involved.

It is a really big annoyance if for example you're drawing a line/shape where you have to be zoomed in to a point, but you need to make the object quite large so you have to be holding the left mouse button to continue drawing as you're zooming out. Please don't get me wrong, it's a really nice feature to have, but is a way for us to remap this key to, say, Alt a possibility?

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16 minutes ago, Georgia said:

It is a really big annoyance if for example you're drawing a line/shape where you have to be zoomed in to a point, but you need to make the object quite large so you have to be holding the left mouse button to continue drawing as you're zooming out. Please don't get me wrong, it's a really nice feature to have, but is a way for us to remap this key to, say, Alt a possibility?

 

There is no way to rebind/remap keys.

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On 4/1/2023 at 12:08 AM, Rick Brewster said:

 

Those two things are mutually exclusive, you have to be holding down the left mouse button to resize uniformly. Zooming is Ctrl + Mouse Wheel, the left mouse button isn't involved.

 

Yes, I know how to do them, what I'm saying is I often DO find myself in situation where I am doing both Zooming out and drawing a line/shape at the same time, and having to redo it because the other side resized when I didn't want it to isn't very fun and should be a setting you can toggle or be under a different key than Control.

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If you release the left mouse button before releasing Control it keeps the extra resizing.

 

Sure, I can get myself used to releasing Control first other than LMB. But it would be really awesome if there was a way we could bind and rebind keys for features, even not only just for this but so we can access effects a lot easier and quicker for example as these aren't assigned any keybinds out of the box. It will also work really well for the select tools, where currently you have to cycle through them all with the S key. We could just assign our most used ones to a single keystroke

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9 hours ago, anam8214 said:

hey is there a version where i dont have to be on windows 10 version 1089 or anything, i just want paint.net

 

No. You need to update your OS to Windows 10 v1809 or newer. There is no other answer to this question.

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On 4/3/2023 at 3:30 PM, Rick Brewster said:

But the shape snaps back to non-centered when you release Ctrl ... I don't understand why you'd have to redo the shape drawing?

 

If you're accidentally still holding control at all, the line/shape will uniformly resize. There's no way to undo the uniformity, meaning you have to redo the entire line/shape

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Right now I've got two ideas on how to ameliorate this.

 

1. Lock in the centering/uniformity at the beginning of the interaction. So you do Ctrl+Click, drag ... but you can let go of Ctrl after the mouse button goes down and the centering/uniformity will stay engaged. Pressing Ctrl before you release the mouse button, whether you had pressed Ctrl at the beginning or not, will have no effect.

 

2. Switch the key to Alt. I can't remember if there was a strong reason I chose not to use Alt, other than that I wanted to match Office which used Ctrl, so I'll have to double check into this.

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On 4/12/2023 at 11:26 AM, Rick Brewster said:

Right now I've got two ideas on how to ameliorate this.

 

1. Lock in the centering/uniformity at the beginning of the interaction. So you do Ctrl+Click, drag ... but you can let go of Ctrl after the mouse button goes down and the centering/uniformity will stay engaged. Pressing Ctrl before you release the mouse button, whether you had pressed Ctrl at the beginning or not, will have no effect.

 

2. Switch the key to Alt. I can't remember if there was a strong reason I chose not to use Alt, other than that I wanted to match Office which used Ctrl, so I'll have to double check into this.

To be quite honest with you, I am quite the opposite from the other folks talking about the issue. I don't mind it at all and have never had issues with using Ctrl and actually prefer it that way like office just as you said.
I haven't had an issue with zooming in or out by holding Ctrl and having the centered sizing occur either, but maybe I'm just used to it. 

Simply put, I hold LMB + Ctrl for the centered sizing and zoom in/out with my scroll wheel and continue doing so until I've achieved a zoom level I am happy with and continue drawing the line, whilst still holding Ctrl to get the sizing. Whenever I don't want the resizing, I hold Ctrl to zoom in/out and once an optimum zoom has been reached I let go of Ctrl and go about the normal line tool. 

Not sure what seems to be the issue here; please don't change the functionality of its current state one bit! I personally think it's fantastic as it currently stands!

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Unfortunately, it looks like CTRL+G no longer rotates images CCW, which is a major burden to workflow (even if it's functionally the same as three applications of CTRL+H).

 

What makes matters more irritating is how difficult it is tracking down old versions of PDN, since there's no "official" archive. With all due respect, I think it's pretty suboptimal to tinker with shortcuts people have been using for years (over a decade, in my case!) when finding older versions requires downloading from sketchy third-party sites or personal backups. 

 

Anyway, looks like I'll be on my old version of 4.x for a while yet. 😕 If it ain't broke...

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1 hour ago, CrownSprings said:

Unfortunately, it looks like CTRL+G no longer rotates images CCW, which is a major burden to workflow (even if it's functionally the same as three applications of CTRL+H).

 

What makes matters more irritating is how difficult it is tracking down old versions of PDN, since there's no "official" archive. With all due respect, I think it's pretty suboptimal to tinker with shortcuts people have been using for years (over a decade, in my case!) when finding older versions requires downloading from sketchy third-party sites or personal backups. 

 

Anyway, looks like I'll be on my old version of 4.x for a while yet. 😕 If it ain't broke...

 

Ctrl+G is coming back in the next update.

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