PeterG Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Hello, I am not sure where I ought to post this but here goes... For a long time now, through a few PaintNet updates, framing an image or part of the image has been a real problem. If I frame the image using the mouse, the framing tool refuses to release the rectangle, pressing escape has no effect and the frame just moves around where ever the mouse happens to be. The only way I can release the frame is to select another tool and start again. That does not guarantee anything though and my question is, is there anything I can do to sort this out? I am currently using the latest version of PaintNet. Many Thanks Regards Peter Quote When nothing short of Divine Intervention can get the job done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactilis Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 3 hours ago, PeterG said: framing an image or part of the image By this do you mean creating a Selection, for example by using the Rectangle Select tool? 3 hours ago, PeterG said: If I frame the image using the mouse, the framing tool refuses to release the rectangle, pressing escape has no effect and the frame just moves around where ever the mouse happens to be. Do you mean that the Selection moves with the mouse, or does it change size with the mouse as if you are still drawing it? Do you perhaps have ClickLock turned on in Windows Settings > Mouse Properties (or any similar setting provided by your mouse/trackpad driver)? If so, turn it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterG Posted July 10 Author Share Posted July 10 Hello Tactilis, 1. By this do you mean creating a Selection, for example by using the Rectangle Select tool? Yes, I select the Rectangle Select tool, I then click and hold on the image and move to select the area I want to copy. 2. Do you mean that the Selection moves with the mouse, or does it change size with the mouse as if you are still drawing it? The Selection changes size with the mouse as if I am still drawing it. The selection seems to be permanently attached to the mouse 3. I have looked into my mouse settings and ClickLock was disabled. It is not in use. Regards Peter Quote When nothing short of Divine Intervention can get the job done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixey Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 6 hours ago, PeterG said: If I frame the image using the mouse, the framing tool refuses to release the rectangle Do you mean when dragging the Rectangle Select around the image, like this? It works fine for me. Could be your mouse perhaps? Quote How I made Jennifer & Halle in Paint.net My Gallery | My Deviant Art "Rescuing one animal may not change the world, but for that animal their world is changed forever!" anon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterG Posted July 10 Author Share Posted July 10 Hello Pixey Thank You, Yes I drag the rectangle around the image until I am satisfied with its position. Just as your picture shows. I have two laptops and this issue appears on both of them, the touchpad on each behaves the same. as does a mouse. It doesn't happen all the time, but to be honest it happens most of the time, ie, every time I use PaintNet !!, its something that I have lived with for a long time, and I thought I should report it as it has become very annoying. Regards Peter Quote When nothing short of Divine Intervention can get the job done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterG Posted July 10 Author Share Posted July 10 Pixey, I really must say that your picture sums me up completely !! Quote When nothing short of Divine Intervention can get the job done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixey Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 25 minutes ago, PeterG said: its something that I have lived with for a long time, and I thought I should report it as it has become very annoying. Yes, it must be so annoying, and eve more so when one doesn't know why 😠 24 minutes ago, PeterG said: really must say that your picture sums me up completely !! And that's what I say to myself every day 🤣 Quote How I made Jennifer & Halle in Paint.net My Gallery | My Deviant Art "Rescuing one animal may not change the world, but for that animal their world is changed forever!" anon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactilis Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 3 hours ago, PeterG said: The Selection changes size with the mouse as if I am still drawing it. The selection seems to be permanently attached to the mouse On my Windows 11 laptop, I am able to reproduce exactly what you describe using either the touchpad or the mouse if I have ClickLock enabled. On an older laptop running Windows 7 the equivalent touchpad setting is called Locking Drags. If I have this enabled, I get the same behaviour. I believe that you have something like ClickLock or Locking Drags enabled somewhere. Please try this experiment using the Rectangle Select tool: 1. Hold down the left mouse button, quickly drag out the selection, and then release the button. Do all of this very quickly. Does this produce a selection that is not 'attached' to the mouse? Now clear the selection and try this: 2. Hold down the left mouse button, slowly drag out the selection, and then release the button. Does this produce a selection that is 'attached' to the mouse? i.e it keeps drawing as you move the mouse? If the answer to 2 is yes, now do a single click of the left mouse button? Does the single click 'detach' the selection from the mouse? i.e, you can now move the mouse without the selection changing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterG Posted July 11 Author Share Posted July 11 (edited) Hello Tactilis, Info, I am using Windows 11, and ClickLock is switched off... 1. Hold down the left mouse button, quickly drag out the selection, and then release the button. Do all of this very quickly. Does this produce a selection that is not 'attached' to the mouse? Yes, But only initially is the selection NOT attached, then this issue appears. Also, info. If I press and hold the left mouse button when the rectangle IS attached to the mouse, the selected area as a whole then moves around the screen with the mouse Now clear the selection and try this: 2. Hold down the left mouse button, slowly drag out the selection, and then release the button. Does this produce a selection that is 'attached' to the mouse? i.e it keeps drawing as you move the mouse? Yes, But initially the selection is NOT attached, then this issue appears. As above... Also, info, If I press and hold the left mouse button when the rectangle IS attached to the mouse, the selected area as a whole then moves around the screen with the mouse If the answer to 2 is yes, now do a single click of the left mouse button? Does the single click 'detach' the selection from the mouse? i.e, you can now move the mouse without the selection changing? No, Once a rectangle IS attached, I can never get it off using normal methods, I have to select a different tool and then go back and select the Rectangle Selection tool again. Or Open a new page and start again. Tactilis, I am afraid both fast and slow use of the tool produce the same results and I apologise if I haven't been very helpful, this is quite difficult to explain so bear with me if you will. Regards Peter Edited July 11 by PeterG Quote When nothing short of Divine Intervention can get the job done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoltBait Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Too lazy to read all this... but, I have a question: Does this only happen on the touch pad or does it also happen when using an actual mouse? Quote Download: BoltBait's Plugin Pack | CodeLab | and a Free Computer Dominos Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterG Posted July 11 Author Share Posted July 11 (edited) Hello, Thats a very good point, I am not using an actual mouse, and I am sorry if I have confused things. My laptop has two physical buttons and a touchpad, I move the cursor around the screen by sweeping my finger over the the touchpad, so its my touchpad that is pulling the Rectangle Select tool around the screen. However, tapping the touch pad or the left button does NOT release the rectangle from the cursor. I have checked as many settings for the touch pad as I can find, and have not found anything thats relevant to releasing the Rectangle Select tool other than the ClickLock setting, which is turned off. Pressing the 'Escape' key has no effect either. So I usually just select another tool, then immediately reselect the Rectangle Select tool. Doing that is the only way I can get the Rectangle Select tool to release its seemingly permanent attachment to the cursor. Regards Peter Edited July 11 by PeterG Quote When nothing short of Divine Intervention can get the job done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactilis Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 37 minutes ago, PeterG said: I am not using an actual mouse, and I am sorry if I have confused things. Ah, you did say: On 7/10/2024 at 6:55 PM, PeterG said: I have two laptops and this issue appears on both of them, the touchpad on each behaves the same. as does a mouse. I really don't think this is a paint.net issue. I still believe that you have some sort of 'Locking Drag' setting enabled for your touchpad. What is the make and exact model of your laptops please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterG Posted July 11 Author Share Posted July 11 Hello, Yes, it probably isn't a PaintNet issue, but it did start happening by itself, and by that I mean, it didn't always happen. I will just carry on as I am. Many thanks for putting your time into it, its much appreciated. I shall keep delving into the settings to see what I can find, but to be honest, over time I have looked everywhere I can. I do actually use a mouse with one of the laptops but rarely. I have two Lenovo laptops, I cant tell you what model one is at the moment but this one is as follows: Many Thanks Regards Peter Device name Laptop Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8365U CPU @ 1.60GHz 1.90 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.8 GB usable) Device ID 66D50FCC-4679-401F-AC75-00B051788CDC Product ID 00330-80000-00000-AA533 System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Pen and touch Touch support with 10 touch points Edition Windows 11 Pro Version 23H2 Installed on 24/08/2023 OS build 22631.3880 Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.22700.1020.0 Quote When nothing short of Divine Intervention can get the job done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactilis Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 9 minutes ago, PeterG said: I have two Lenovo laptops My guess is that your laptops have a Synaptics touchpad and that they have Device Settings something like this: ...and you have a Drag setting enabled: The settings may not be exactly as above but there is some combination of settings and the way you are tapping the touchpad that is causing this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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