Apollo702
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@Seerose Wow. You made yours funky!
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I loved the tutorials- but I had to do them a couple of times to get the results. When completed they looked great! Thanks!
Having said that though, I think that there are a couple of missing steps and it likely would be best to switch the words "tap" to "hold." That would clarify part of it.
Secondly, I am curious about trying this on more complex images. Many of the above images had relatively basic shapes against well contrasted backgrounds. An example is I have an image of a common ordinary garden room. I like rooms like this in real life because I am kinda plant happy.
I started by duplicating, switching to the top layer and then starting CRE and selecting red(and just now experimenting with the other colors.) Since the wood in the roof almost has an orange to it I can't seem to isolate the red in the fern no matter how much I play with the sliders.
So, my questions are:
1. Is it just not possible if the foreground object is too close of a color to the background?
2. And what about for complex objects with many contours(such as the fern.) Are there any tricks to manipulating these types of objects?
Thank you in advance for any answers and ideas!
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I need to start watching more of these contests for inspiration! The things that you all are creating are 😮!
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Thank you! For many years I had no idea how much fun this could be!
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Here is my first attempt.
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OK, I had been improving and perfecting my headline bars and the final results came out better than I had expected. I started using them and those results came out well and I even replaced a few recent new ones. So it was time to create some more and then one of the most basic ones(my orange one) won't pull up and also it's 2 latest creations.
In the Headlines folder where I put them also the same 3 now show a FastStone placeholder graphic.
When attempting to pull them up it gives this error:
Application version: paint.net 4.1.6
System.ArgumentException: Parameter is not valid.
at System.Drawing.Image.FromStream(Stream stream, Boolean useEmbeddedColorManagement, Boolean validateImageData)
at PaintDotNet.Data.PngFileType.OnLoad(Stream input) in D:\src\pdn\src\PaintDotNet\Data\PngFileType.cs:line 114
at PaintDotNet.FileType.Load(Stream input) in D:\src\pdn\src\Data\FileType.cs:line 496
at PaintDotNet.Functional.Func.Eval[T1,TRet](Func`2 f, T1 arg1) in D:\src\pdn\src\Base\Functional\Func.cs:line 158 -
I can breathe a little easier. When I see some of the kinds of things people are creating though...
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How did I miss all these awesome plugins? Last year I went on a binge and thought that I got almost all of them. That plugin answers an old question. I had been wondering how to do gradients with multiple colors. Previously I would do things like layers and then put them together.
Not long ago I needed multiple gradients for a guide I was writing and I got what I was looking for the harder way. I had never attempted anything like it and my first attempt came up with this one:
59 minutes ago, Pixey said:As far as I can tell, you are trying to recreate a bar like this?
I would use the Multi Gradient Plugin
I used 4 colors: 15B5FF 0093D8 0093D8 15B5FF at these settings. You can change the position of the 2 middle colors (same cols) to get the size of the darker color in the middle.
Yeah! That is exactly what I was looking for. I have been experimenting with them and I think that I don't want the gradient to be too strong. That image above has just enough.
I started using these in 2015 and lately I have been wondering about tinkering with them. I have tried a number of options, used a ton of functions and came up with some variations- and I am still debating this one.
When I use them the default is orange. Then I use the other colors for different subtopics and moods. In 2105 I didn't even know what the color wheel was- but since I primarily write in green ink most of them are there to contrast with it from the other side of the wheel. I guess I stumbled onto that one and got lucky.
Here are a couple of alternate designs that I tried tonight:
Usual style:
Experimental 1:
Experimental 2:
I am really debating this one and I might keep playing around with it...
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2 minutes ago, HyReZ said:
I think a better testing method would be to rename the Effects folder to 'Original_Effects' and the adding a new 'Effects' folder for testing what I have been saying.
When done delete the new 'Effects' folder and rename the 'Original_Effects' folder back to 'Effects'.
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I have a backup of my Effects, Filetypes and Shapes folders just in case of a problem, I can reinstall PDN and copy my backups back into the app.Yeah. I kinda was thinking about doing something like that anyways. Not only do I need a backup of it- but I also will be migrating away from this backup computer back to my main rig and will be transferring a lot of files around. If I have time, maybe I will do some testing and see what happens.
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1 hour ago, HyReZ said:
After a decade of use I know how to insert a plugin into and effects folder.
I always thought that you sound experienced. I was laying out different recreations of past steps to see if maybe that was causing any changes.
1 hour ago, HyReZ said:If there is a dfference in the way e-store version of PND and the classic version loads plugins
is the only rational explaination that I can come up with.
From your illustration it appears that you also are using the classic version of PDN.
There is nothing inherent in using PeaZip to extract a file that would cause PDN to alter the way it loads plugins at startup..Now maybe the 2 versions is it. Perhaps I had the wrong variable.
Now I am going to steeple my hands and do my best Mr. Spock:
"There seems to be an error in my logic. I shall attempt to reexamine...." (Add in one eyebrow raise^)
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22 minutes ago, HyReZ said:
I cannot duplicate your results! Neither Align nor Emboss+ show up after install untill I restarted PDN.
Hmmm. Maybe try my procedure and see if it gives different results(assuming that you do it differently.) That seems to indicate that procedures could be in play.
Other methods that I have used:
I have DLed the plugins, opened the(created sub-folder) in my downloads just for them, used PeaZip to unzip them in there and then either copied and pasted into C/program files/PDN/Effects.
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Dragged and dropped the DLL files into C/program files/PDN/Effects.
I need to take a food break- but maybe I could try doing it each way and see if the results change. I will BBS.
Also, I grabbed a screenshot of the most important part:
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10 minutes ago, HyReZ said:
It is not clear what is meant when you say "I switched to PDN".
Was PDN running or not when you had PeaZip extract to the PDN effects folder?
Switched implies that the app was running minimized or partial screen while the zip archive app was being used at either full or partial screen while extracting to the PDN effects folder and then PDN was made full screen again to see if the plugin was applied and ready to use.
PDN was running in the background I then switched windows. I always have it running in the background because I may need to use it at any moment(more and more lately) and 99+% of the time I have the same programs and folders running. I keep one maximized window to focus on and then switch around between them as needed. For me(and most people), that is the fastest flow. Others may have their own style...
With the plugins, the procedure was identical. Find the plugin, DL it, Right click and tell PeaZip to "Extract to"(with PDN's Effects folder path saved as a bookmark) and then switch to PDN to check and see if the new plugin is there or not. If it is- I then usually do a quick test to see just what it can do. I really am amazed at all the firepower out there! Anybody who says PDN isn't that powerful just needs to get some of these plugins and see what kinds of goodness there is...
Also, I just did a 4th plugin "NeonEdges" and it did not start right away.
The pattern remains. Some do, some don't.
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28 minutes ago, HyReZ said:
Did you minimize PDN and insert Emboss+ plugin in the effects folder and then bring up the minimized app and it worked?
How did you install it while PND was still running?
Have you left out any installation details?For that one it was just a straight download and then I used PeaZip to extract it right into the effects folder. I switched to PDN, pulled up effects and tried it on a test image and everything worked!
Having said that, I just did the exact same procedure with Cell Texture and it did not show up right away. At this very moment I just restarted PDN and there that one was ready to go.
So one required a restart. The other didn't.
UPDATE: I just did a 3rd one. I found an old Align plugin and it also did not require a restart. It's pretty clear. Most don't require a restart, some do.
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14 hours ago, HyReZ said:
Okay
I have not expreienced a plugin working after an install without a reboot!It's confirmed. I am reading a bunch of other threads and one mentioned using Emboss+. I just put it in the Effects folder and there it was ready to go- and no restart.
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6 hours ago, Rick Brewster said:
A prime example of this is the upgrade to the app icons in 4.1.6. This was necessary to ensure PDN can maintain a modern aesthetic on current systems.
I like more old school icons- but the new set definitely works so it's not a criticism . Everyone has their thing.
6 hours ago, Rick Brewster said:Also, I'd like to point out, that workarounds and plugins are completely valid ways to solve problems. Not everything needs to be doable with "in box" functionality. Sometimes I don't want things to be built-in because they would clutter things up for all the people who really don't need that stuff (including myself). And other times, having a workaround helps to genuinely unblock workflows.
That really is the nature of good open source tech. The program "as downloaded" often times is best as a cheese pizza. You then can pick out the toppings you like as add-ons/extensions/plugins... If you really explore open source tech and max it out many people can have the exact same program and it ends up dramatically different for different people and how they use it.
I have some very strong preferences and opinions- but it is a free country. And, who knows? What if others have found some other source of goodness that I haven't yet? There is so much to harvest!
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OT: @ RIck Brewser. Is that Tesla 100% PDN?!?!?
If it is- WOW!
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Just speaking for myself and my flow here. I also do tons of resizes to get just the right sizes, ratios, perspectives...and I have found manual resizing(often times while holding Shift) easy and quick.
YMMV.
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OK- but I don't remember always having transparency as secondary. Would it be possible to put that as an option?
I have a few consistent shadow schemes. In most the light source is top left so I make a lot of consistent designs for my prime tasks. Lately, i just break out the magic wand and delete the extra section- unless in some rare cases in which it matches the image too closely and then I would go in and manually change the secondary to alpha.
The secondary color isn't an overwhelming thing. Alpha default would be a convenience IMO.
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I am back. The Manual Recolor is there, working and that one is a nice simple one. Also, I previously had not had the occasion to use Invert Colors correctly. The few times I had used it were on excessively too white/black and also attempting to create reverse effects for bevels. Each time I got something- but not at all what I was looking for.
Now I see it. It's a great quick color wheel flipper!
BTW HyReZ. Nice twisty arrow up there. I like that. Maybe I need to look into designing some of my own with a twist???
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OK, I have observed a recent PDN behavior change. When doing canvas resizing it seems to have started putting secondary color in the new canvas area. Before it was always blank.
While on the subject of canvas resizing: With my color bars(like the one that just got recreated) I always do a (top/left) canvas resize and then add a (bottom right)drop shadow when they are finalizing. Over the years I would always also keep GIMP open and use it for drop shadows because it did automatic resizing with shadows. Then I would switch back to PDN to crop it out. Now I do all of that purely on PDN.
Would shadows adding automatic resizing with be a tough thing to add?
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2 minutes ago, HyReZ said:
Okay
I have not expreienced a plugin working after an install without a reboot!Maybe I was getting lucky. When I started kicking up my art skills I went on a plugin installation binge and I would start using tons of them right away.
I still do many things manually- but wow! Now it's more about coming up with a concept and then just bam bam bam! Use one function after another and I always end up with something even better than I thought was possible. It can be FUN!
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2 minutes ago, HyReZ said:
Did you install the PdnManualColorFilter.dll in the effects folder and reboot PDN so that so that the plugin is recognized as being installed?
Maybe the restart is the missing step. Most install without it- but maybe not this one. Right now I have a few open projects and I am also going to create another post with some issues there.
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28 minutes ago, HyReZ said:
After installing it will appear as 'Manual Color' in the Effects>Color optionsSomething is wrong. It still isn't there under that name either. I also pulled up every other section just in case and it was nowhere.
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Grrrrr. The new one isn't the match that I thought it was. I declared victory too soon.
Thanks to both of you for being on it. I am also going to download that other plugin and play with that too.
I can't seem to get that plugin to install. I tried twice. The first time I renamed the file(and then .zip) The next time I left it as originally named as a random series of numbers(.zip) and neither are showing up. It has 3 DLL files in place- and nothing is showing up in PDN.
I think that I have a darn-near one. I used a few tools such as Color Tint, Hue & Saturation and one of the 2 Curves plugins. A couple of them were doing too much to the gradient and I had to keep fiddling around. I really like the last one and I am going to test it out and see if truly is it or not.
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How To Use Color Range effect
in Beginner Tutorials
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It still is some great information. I learned a lot!