Mike Ryan Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Should a general Creative Commons license be forced upon all published works on a forum with rules stating that a license change should result in a change of thread title? This is a rather important poll, and long, good, juicy feedback is more than welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.atwell Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 "A Forum," or "This Forum?" If this forum, then do you include Plugins in that? (If so, absolutely not, and I will lock this thread immediately). If you're talking about a forum you personally are running, we can discuss. :-) The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Worst Idea Ever. This is a rather important poll...Why do you say that? Is it going to produce some policy change or consequence? It certainly won't in this forum. The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Man Dan Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 People generally understand that when they upload things to forums, that forum is given implicit permission as a distributor of that content for the duration of the time that the content is hosted on the forum. As such, I don't think that hosting is made difficult in any way under the current format. I'm very much against forcing anything. When someone makes something, it's theirs. If they want to release it under a liberal license, that's their choice, but if they want to keep full rights over it, that should be their choice too. I am not a mechanism, I am part of the resistance; I am an organism, an animal, a creature, I am a beast. ~ Becoming the Archetype Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.atwell Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Yeah. I agree with Dan (or does Dan agree with me?) - it's the author's work. There should be but two requirements for publishing plugins here: That it doesn't break one's computer, and that it doesn't contain a program that does. :-) The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Ryan Posted April 22, 2008 Author Share Posted April 22, 2008 First off, this is in no way talking about this forum. And now with your suggestions, let me explain why the thought even ran across my mind... Because the forum I am working on will contain such things as created works, tutorials, plugins, ect... the idea was thrown out to have a safety net of a Creative Commons Non Distributive License for all works published without a noted license. This would [hopefully] stop tutorials, plugins, created works, and more be 'stolen' from their respective holders. We are not exactly wanting to force the same license, just a safety net for those without one. As well, we wont be claiming any published works ours. The reason I say they are being stolen is because if you simply do a YouTube search of Paint.NET tutorials, there are loads of tutorial rips from these forums. These forums (Paint.NET Official Forums) usually has a 'it is yours, you deal with it policy' so I have been informing individual tutorial authors when I see there work has been ripped. This type of policy I do not want in my forums. So if I license all works that are not licensed by the original author, I can protect the created works and ideas of my user base. More thoughts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harold Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 My thought is that it would be far easier to have "no licence" mean "public domain" - it's far easier to "enforce" Besides, unless you're a big and rich company you can not reasonably enforce any licence anyway (do you really want to sue all these people?) I would write plugins, if I knew what kind of plugins were needed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 No, no, no, and no. If they're so concerned about their intellectual property, then they can declare a license. "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former" [ dA Paint.NET Chat :: Yata on dA ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Brown Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 If you are talking about plugins, then I would worry about this being backdated. And IMHO this would just mean extra time taken to specify a license. And how would we ensure the plugin/image author was aware? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.atwell Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 If you're worried about protecting the rights of the content producer, why not say that the license of anything posted on the forum is Creative Commons unless otherwise stated by the author? The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Brown Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 why not say that the license of anything posted on the forum is Creative Commons unless otherwise stated by the author? I thought that was what he was suggesting. :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 why not say that the license of anything posted on the forum is Creative Commons unless otherwise stated by the author? I thought that was what he was suggesting. :? Correct. All creations Ash + Paint.NET [ Googlepage | deviantArt | Club PDN | PDN Fan ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.atwell Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Aha. I was confused; I thought you were saying you would force CC licensing upon them no matter what... The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Brown Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 What if we went for a system where if they didn't specify a license the thread was locked, the plugin removed and they were asked to repost it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Aha. I was confused; I thought you were saying you would force CC licensing upon them no matter what... Maybe because of the word "Forced" in the title. All creations Ash + Paint.NET [ Googlepage | deviantArt | Club PDN | PDN Fan ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.atwell Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Maybe "default license" would be better phraseology. :-) The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Brown Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 As I have asked before, if such a default license policy happened, where would it be advertised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 My guess is... Forum Rules Or Announcements All creations Ash + Paint.NET [ Googlepage | deviantArt | Club PDN | PDN Fan ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Brown Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 The problem is that you may have legal uncertainty if you place conditions on licensing in a document you have no way to verify someone has read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.atwell Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Doesn't matter whether it's read or not; it's legally binding. Post a clearly visible announcement that says "By using these forums, you agree to these terms and conditions..." and include the clause "All work on this forum, unless otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons 2.5 Noncommercial license. This license is superseded by any license (both more or less restrictive) that an author chooses to place upon his or her work." Something like that should work. The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Brown Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Here is another question, what about links to plugins/images? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoltBait Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Mike Ryan, why are you duplicating this forum? What's the point? Click to play: Download: BoltBait's Plugin Pack | CodeLab | and how about a Computer Dominos Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Ryan Posted April 22, 2008 Author Share Posted April 22, 2008 David and Ash: Yes that would have been a better name. A default license is the correct terminology here. If the user does not declare a license of any form then another license as stated by The Rules, Terms of Use, as well as an Announcement in all forums for publication would be used. BoltBait: I am not 'duplicating' anything here. I am reffering to Paint.NET Workshop (Yes, Sabrown, I said it). Because of the amount of students that we want to bring in, we want to be sure there intellectual property is kept safe because you simply can't expect a 14 year old to understand licensing and what not on the Internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Brown Posted April 22, 2008 Share Posted April 22, 2008 we want to be sure there intellectual property is kept safe because you simply can't expect a 14 year old to understand licensing and what not on the Internet. I don't understand what you mean - surely these are two separate issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Ryan Posted April 22, 2008 Author Share Posted April 22, 2008 Nope. Same issue. Should a default license be enacted to keep the unlicensed intellectual property of our userbase safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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