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Rick recently posted this on his blog:

I’ve actually been thinking about moving the forums for some time, so that I can host it myself.

As might be imagined, this started a firestorm of comments, many of them by forum members. I thought I'd open this thread up so that the Comments section of his blog can stay relatively clean for people outside the forum.

NOTE: Please read the blog post before posting in this thread.

EDIT/NOTE: Also please read Rick's post below before posting. This is not for discussion on whether or not to move, it's for discussion about how to move; we all agree that moving would be better. Thank you. How can we accomplish it? Where will we go?

 

The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.
Amy: But how did it end up in there?
The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.
River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him.

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Rick recently posted this on his blog:
I’ve actually been thinking about moving the forums for some time, so that I can host it myself.

As might be imagined, this started a firestorm of comments, many of them by forum members. I thought I'd open this thread up so that the Comments section of his blog can stay relatively clean for people outside the forum.

NOTE: Please read the blog post before posting in this thread.

I fully support a move. Forumer hosting has been pretty aggravating, what with all the down time. Also, Rick has good taste in online electronic stores. :wink:

I know Rick holds to pretty high standards (just look at the software he makes!), so the junk Forumer does must be annoying. I hope he takes the plunge and goes for self-hosting.

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Please give Forumer the benefit of the doubt, however. The problems were apparently due to problems in their datacenter (which they do not own or fully control).

http://fhq.forumer.com/phpbb3-bug-repor ... place.html

BTW, I hope that this will not happened again in the future. As Limez said, datacenter replaced two hard-disks on the server with fhq and paintdotnet due to hardware errors.

After that Limez had written them a letter to ask for better service in the future.

I'm less interested in hearing discussion about "yeah let's get rid of forumer and go independent! rah rah!" and more interested in discussion about the fact that the user database and content would essentially have to be completely started over. Also, if anyone has hosted and managed a phpBB forum before (not just administered one -- I mean installed, configured, updated, managed), I'd be interested in hearing about your experience.

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I totally agree. The good outweighs the disadvantages it comes with. Everydays downtime annoys the good out of me. Maybe usedHonda will commit suicide becaus he will loose his 4k posts but hey =D

I have more posts than uH. I don't mind. :-)

 

The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.
Amy: But how did it end up in there?
The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.
River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him.

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I totally agree. The good outweighs the disadvantages it comes with. Everydays downtime annoys the good out of me. Maybe usedHonda will commit suicide becaus he will loose his 4k posts but hey =D

I have more posts than uH. I don't mind. :-)

Let's wait until Rick has made 20 more posts and then move to a new forum. So he won the race with 6k Posts ;D New challenge for everybody xD

To be constructive: I don't think that the loss of tutorials and information will be so big. We could get rid of the spam and save the important things.

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I totally agree. The good outweighs the disadvantages it comes with. Everydays downtime annoys the good out of me. Maybe usedHonda will commit suicide becaus he will loose his 4k posts but hey =D

I have more posts than uH. I don't mind. :-)

But you post faster, and will thus be back up to normal faster. Back to intelligent discussion...

Losing my post count and stuff doesn't bother me too much. I'll let my work speak for itself.

I hope the hosting process doesn't turn out to be a turn off for Rick 'cause of time constraints; I really think any work he would put into hosting the forums himself would be worth it. Plus, I think it would be a bit of a point of pride for PdN, having our completely own forum.

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While I'm willing to give Forumer the benefit of the doubt, I am not willing to do so for their datacenter. And I also think that the sticky'd posts can be pulled across and redone. If we lock this forum without completely closing it for a few months, we can ensure that we have everything we need. Post count be hanged - I hate post counts. I'd rather turn 'em off and go to a Rep system.

 

The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.
Amy: But how did it end up in there?
The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.
River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him.

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... the fact that the user database and content would essentially have to be completely started over.
Rick, forum posts age as well. What percentage of the posts is still relevant today? Tutorials are made obsolete by newer Paint.NET features. Posts on plug-in's are made obsolete by new versions. Anouncements are old news after a few weeks. Sure, some survive. But let the people who posted them refresh them, they'll post the good stuff on the new forum. We'll loose the noise.

And the user database? For each and every one of us, it'll cost two minutes or so te register. No big deal.

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I totally agree. The good outweighs the disadvantages it comes with. Everydays downtime annoys the good out of me. Maybe usedHonda will commit suicide becaus he will loose his 4k posts but hey =D

I'll get the knife ready :P

I support the move, especially if it's going to be a 1st class dedicated server, but the problem is the actual move. It is possible for the forum to be backed up, but after a long and hard search, I found that Forumer doesn't like to let go of their forums. One does not simply walk into Mordor, especially if the Forumer staff is so protective of their information.

But assuming we can eventually get into Mordor, I'd recomend SuperbHosting (price is obviously not obstacle for Rick). They're sponsored by a myriad of enterprises, Microsoft, Fedora, VeriSign, Cisco, and SourceForge among them.

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Also, if anyone has hosted and managed a phpBB forum before (not just administered one -- I mean installed, configured, updated, managed), I'd be interested in hearing about your experience.

My installation of phpBB was simple and flawless. The only issue I've had with any of it was that my host set some awkward mod_security settings and it made my users not be able to post. But then again, my host isn't the best. I'm positive a payed host would never let that happen.

The installation itself is fairly easy and only requires you to be able to fill in forms and create a database and a user for that database.

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Yeah, my installation was pretty simple, too. Took a few minutes, but no major hiccups.

 

The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.
Amy: But how did it end up in there?
The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.
River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him.

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Rick you don't need to know Unix or Windows to setup your own forum. Yes it is nice to know them OS's but I been hosting forums now on Unix for over 3 years and only learn a bit of Unix a year and a half ago.

phpBB is a nice free one but it can be a pain at times and gets hit by spam bots more then it should. I also found myself having to install mods for phpBB just to get everything a forum should have. So my over all option is that it easy to install but you pay for it in the end with all the problems of keeping it running.

Matter a fact I am now porting all of DEXTUT.COM over to an IPB forum because it much more user friendly. Yes it not a free forum but it money well spended. It just as easy to install as phpBB, has everything a fourm should have, and adding mods to it is simple as clicking the mouse. Take a look at it and see for yourself dextut.com/v2 (Note it not all setup yet as I been busy). If you like to see the admin setup I can give you an account for you to play with as an admin. That offer is only for Rick, sorry to anyone else who wanted to see the admin page.

If you still go with phpBB why not just backup the SQL database from the phpBB backup tools and then import that database to the new phpBB forums ?

For only hosting a few websites there really no need to get a full server. You just need a host with SQL databases and php4 or higher.

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I am on the Unlimited Pro plan but for you I say Business Plus plan would work for you. I would say Expert plan would be good but it don't got SQL databases.

Geez if you want I can set up a FTP account for you and a sub domain and a SQL database, and you can host your forum and have full control just as long as you don't use the the FTP account for personal storage.

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I Support this strongly!

i know forumer, they are good but sometimes lazy.

i cannot acces my ACP for 12days now...

so i support it ..

I followed rick on forumer and i saw all the errors so i dont mind to move.

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I'm less interested in hearing discussion about "yeah let's get rid of forumer and go independent! rah rah!"

Please. Abide by Rick's above statement. We have already said a gazillion times that we should move. We need clear, unsaid opinions about the whole "starting over" issue. The whole "moving over" thing has already been established.

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ncfan51 is correct. Please read both the blog post AND the post Rick made in this thread before commenting.

 

The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.
Amy: But how did it end up in there?
The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.
River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him.

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well, i havnt seen the forum go donw since then so im good with forumer

It was down Friday and Saturday, almost all day. Not to mention the SQL errors. But all of that pales in comparison to the fact that this STILL isn't a discussion about WHETHER to move the forum! :evil: Please read the first post, as the thread title clearly states.

 

The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.
Amy: But how did it end up in there?
The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.
River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him.

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As long as the server is reliable and there are no forum-paralyzing spam attacks, I'll be happy. If we would ever be able to get a backup copy of the forum, it would also be nice to convert the forum to something like IPB or SMF. Simple Machines Forums never get spam attacks, and Invasion Power Boards are very flexible (tons of skins and addons).

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Post counts are fickle things, I don't care about mine I don't think I've ever gone

24066492 Posts!!! W00T

I'd like to keep my username but to be honest I'm probably up-to-date enough around here that if the forum got moved I'd be able to sign up again with this name, there's also the fact that if you type "MattBlackLamb" (without quotes) into google the 1st page is all me.

The forum database would be a loss but it could also be a hinderance, there are loads of threads out there that are deprecated & are, consequentially, of no further use than cluttering up the forum. If the database could be acquired then I feel it should be cleaned of anything useless before it was put into place on the new forum.

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We can't migrate usernames or post counts. Forumer won't let us have the database. So you should stop post-counting now. :-)

 

The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.
Amy: But how did it end up in there?
The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.
River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him.

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