Government Slip-Ups :]

[sl33py]

I personally hate government..

And everything about them, but it is fun to stay posted on their recent slip up's..

It's a new year, so I guess they decided to try a new outlook on Space and UFO's and such..

I'm sure some of you kow about the "UFO" sghting in Stephenville, Texas.

It was seen by over 30 people and a Pilot, and the Air Force stated, "We no longer investagate UFO sightings."

After the UFO sighting, all radio stations started talking about it, and CNN did a report on it..

Usually Media knows nothing about UFO sightings and it never makes the news.

Here's where the funny stuff comes in..

The reported sightings stated the UFO was 1 mile by 1.5 miles big., had flashing lights, hovered for a moment and moved quicker than any type of aircraft known, had flames coming out of one end, and was SILENT, for being 300 Yards above their head's.

A few days ago the Air Force stated, they FORGOT they had flights going on in the Stephenville area.. (HOW DOES THE AIR FORCE JUST FORGET THEY HAD FLIGHTS GOING ON).

They said they had sent out 16 F-16's..

F-16'S ARE SOME ON THE LOUDEST AIR CRAFT'S WE HAVE, JUST THINK ABOUT HOW LOUD 3 BLUE ANGEL'S ARE, IF YOU HAVE 16 F-16'S FLYING 300 YARDS OVER YOU, I THINK YOU'D BE DEAF

16 F-16's all together aren't big enough for what the witnesses described, and plus, the F-16's would have visible gaps between each plane. The witnesses saw one WHOLE object, no spaces, no gaps..

It was also said that there were Jet's chasing after the object, I don't think jet's would be chasing F-16's..

F-16's can't hover in one spot, or change colors for that matter.

How can what these people saw, be F-16's?

I think The government is running out of excuses to cover up things they've been covering since BEFORE the Bible Ages.

You can only cover this up for so long before all you're excuses can no longer be used, and you run out..

But that's just what I think..

I want to know what other people think..

One more thing: I also think it's arrogant of humans to think we are the ONLY form of life in the entire universe..

Especially since the finding of a Second Universe.. =\

[Mike Ryan]

What second universe are you refferring to? Dark matter? Because the universe is defined as never ending, a space with no limits and the power of humans to see that far is impossible. As for the UFO's, they may know there are aliens, but I doubt they have made contact. They just dont want civilians to panic, hence the jets flying after them.

[sl33py]

Astronomer's found a large gap in the universe approximately 1 billion light years wide..

There is Absolutely nothing in it..

IT's a Huge Black Spot..

But when They decided to take an Adventure into it, they came out in a comepletly different place, another universe..

How do we know the Universe really doesn't end?

Have gone that far?

If we have another Universe inside of OUR'S,

ow do we know there's not another one inside the one just discovered?

[Wither]

Are your referring to this? (First Google result for "found another universe")

So you say they went to and explored a spacial anomaly that's nine hundred million lightyears away? (Though my source article above says you got the distances reversed) When did space exploration technology develop the ability to move several hundred (if not, several thousand) times faster than light? Unmanned probe or a hightech flagship with a crew of 70 able-bodied men, nothing humans have made could possibly get anywhere near that thing any time soon.... Or ever, as far as we're all concerned.

Unless you've got some other reference that I didn't see, I think it's safe to say it's possible that there's an alternate universe... however for us to be sure at this point could NEVER happen in a reasonable timeframe. ("Reasonable" going as far as the next thousand years)

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As for the whole alien thing... well, I have no comment on that. It's a strange occurrence, but I still don't believe in extra-terrestrial life. At least not life that's so much more advanced than ourselves that it has mastered interstellar travel.

[RedSauce]

Great story 8) I love the paranormal, its so interesting

But this "government" your referring to is American?

[david.atwell]

Great story 8) I love the paranormal, its so interesting

But this "government" your referring to is American?

Yes, sl33py, you should keep in mind that this is an international forum, and making sure that you inform people which nation you're talking about would be very helpful. :-)

[Wither]

I'm not trying to be a killjoy or anything...

but let's do some math on the subject of lightyears. I'm by no means a math whiz, but I likes mah multiplicationz.

All values are not absolute and are merely simplified because no one really cares about the exact measurements used.

(It's very very very VERY possible that I've done my math wrong. It's also totally possible I'm way off-base and have missed the point of mentioning the alternate universe thing entirely. If that's the case, I'll take the embarrassment that comes with being proved totally wrong.)

Just in case someone doesn't know, a lightyear is the amount of distance light travels in a year. Light from stars travels at the speed of light, which means that if they're thousands of lightyears away, the light they're emitting is just now reaching earth after thousands of years.

Now then.

Seconds in a year

31,536,000

Speed of light in miles per second

183,000

One lightyear in miles (31,536,000*183,000)

5,771,008,000,000

900,000,000 lightyears in miles

5,193,979,200,000,000,000,000 (Five sextillion, one hundred nintey-three quintillion, nine hundred seventy-nine quadrillion, two hundred trillion miles)

Now the article was posted in November... for the sake of arguement let's say that they knew about this sometime earlier but didn't say anything until they got back.... That would still require speeds of unimaginable magnitude to have been accomplished in this millenium.

Just for kicks, I Googled what the fastest moving object humans have ever made was.

It's the Helios spacecraft made in the 1970's, which apparently had a max speed of 150,000 miles per hour. ... Light travels farther than that in one second...

Not to mention 5,193,979,200,000,000,000,000 miles/150,000 mph = 34,626,528,000,000,000 hours ... or 3,952,800,000,000 years

... I think I've proved my point. >_>

It's technologically impossible to have recorded any tangible data about this anomaly... Let alone having had sent anything into it. >_> (Plus getting it back to us to record)

[Andrew D]

Technically, the the Universe isn't completely infinite, though it keeps expanding. Though really, we shouldn't be concerned about anything outside our Galaxy.

What's the point on finding out 50 million stars we can never see without the use of 5 sextillions of equations, and the Hubble Telescope?

Also, there's a slip-up a hell lot closer to home. The Iraq War. And Jack Thompson ( )

[Yata]

I don't have time to read the whole post, but from what I read, I in fact do beleive there is other life in our universe other than us.

Humans managed to evolve and adapt to our specific surroundings, who's to say another species, from far across the universe, haven;t went through the same process and adapted to their planets? Or if another planet we cannot reach via telescope could actually have the essentials to sustain human life?

I really feel that there are other beings, and out of common sense, why would you fly into another world and just go "HAI!! We're here too!". Thats a good way to get shot at and cause mass panic. One day, they will probably make themselves known. Unti then, I remain one of those who look like wierdos for believing this.

[Bobofthedead]

Chances are, in a universe that is so incredibly massive, it is highly likely that we are not alone in the universe, unlike the poor people of Krikkit (HHG2G reference). It just so happens that Yata is right, if these peoples are so intelligent then why would they go to any random planet and whiz down into the sky? Common sense would hopefully prevail.

.:EDIT:.

Hold on sl33py: you're talking about the US government, right? In which case you would be incredibly wrong to say that "...he government is running out of excuses to cover up things they've been covering since BEFORE [biblical] Ages.

The US government, to my knowledge has only held executive power over the United States of America since the signature of the Deceleration of Independence in 1779, a mere 229 years ago. Hardly a Biblical timescale, however you interpret it... My school's older than that, having had its tercentenary in 2004, the year that I joined. /boast

[Helio]

Wither, I believe you worded that slightly incorrectly... Shouldn't it be:

... Just for kicks, I Googled what the fastest moving object humans have ever made was.

It's Helio's spacecraft made in the 1970's, which apparently had a max speed...

...

Oh, wait. I don't need a spacecraft, do I?

[Bobofthedead]

Everyone needs a space craft! I hear it's the new black...

[david.atwell]

Oh, wait. I don't need a spacecraft, do I?

I think I just found a REAL picture of Helio.

[Wither]

>_> I was trying to protect your identity ... but now the secret's out.

Like the old saying goes, "If Flash and Superman raced each other around the world, who would win...? Helio."

...but I still don't believe in extra-terrestrial life. At least not life that's so much more advanced than ourselves that it has mastered interstellar travel.

I still stand by that... Because I personally believe that the universe is far younger than billions of years (<10,000). Extra-terrestrial life is a definite possibility... but for it to create space travel fast enough to reach us is just stretching it.

Not to mention, if they're that advanced, they wouldn't allow themselves to be seen. >_> Being intelligent means you study the area before you come barging in.... What aliens in their right minds would visit earth unattended?

That's like driving through the shady neighborhood of [insert crime infested town here] without locking the doors to your [insert sports car here]. :wink:

[Myrddin]

.:EDIT:.

Hold on sl33py: you're talking about the US government, right? In which case you would be incredibly wrong to say that "...he government is running out of excuses to cover up things they've been covering since BEFORE [biblical] Ages

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[stuff]

I'm glad you mentioned that, I was about to myself. Perhaps you, sl33py, belong to a more recent religion? Anyhow, it still made me laugh when I read it.

And yes, I agree, it is everso slightly arrogant to believe we are the only race to advance to this stage in the entire Universe. I have a name for people who are this arrogant...

[Bobofthedead]

Rolling on the floor, laughing my ass off...

[taboo]

This has less to do with government slip-ups and more with cosmology, but if you want universes, check out the NYTimes' "Big Brain Theory: Have Cosomologists Lost Theirs?"

It's one of those time-sensitive URLs, so hit it quick or else search by the article title.

[Yata]

>_> I was trying to protect your identity ... but now the secret's out.

Like the old saying goes, "If Flash and Superman raced each other around the world, who would win...? Helio."

...but I still don't believe in extra-terrestrial life. At least not life that's so much more advanced than ourselves that it has mastered interstellar travel.

I still stand by that... Because I personally believe that the universe is far younger than billions of years (<10,000). Extra-terrestrial life is a definite possibility... but for it to create space travel fast enough to reach us is just stretching it.

Not to mention, if they're that advanced, they wouldn't allow themselves to be seen. >_> Being intelligent means you study the area before you come barging in.... What aliens in their right minds would visit earth unattended?

That's like driving through the shady neighborhood of [insert crime infested town here] without locking the doors to your [insert sports car here]. :wink:

Years ago, we thought traveling to the moon was stretching it. Before that, cars, etc. Saying that is quite close-minded because technology is a vastly unexplored area. You take your opinion from what we know, but what we know is not everything. What if we missed this one small thing, and that thing was the key to do X? If another universe found how to achieve X just by chance, by all means that is completely logical.

Also, how do you know they aren't doing that studying now?

[sl33py]

I was actually going to post more but I'll answer some questions first..

Yes I am speaking about the American government..

.:EDIT:.

Hold on sl33py: you're talking about the US government, right? In which case you would be incredibly wrong to say that "...he government is running out of excuses to cover up things they've been covering since BEFORE [biblical] Ages.

The US government, to my knowledge has only held executive power over the United States of America since the signature of the Deceleration of Independence in 1779, a mere 229 years ago. Hardly a Biblical timescale, however you interpret it... My school's older than that, having had its tercentenary in 2004, the year that I joined. /boast

In the bible it states somehting about "Moses"/"Jesus"/"God" meeting Someone who came form a Ring of fire, described very much like what Humans believe to be an Alien..

No one's ever paid attention to that =\..

I didn't say 900 Million light years away I said 1 Billion :]..

My Religion is Atheist..

Ok,

I wanted to talk about the possible "Sasquatch(us)" Creature on Mars..

ars is red or whatever color..

A few days ago a picture was taken by one of the Rovers, where near a pie of rocks a "Creature" was seen walking..

Of course all Sasquatch pictures are taken when he's walking half way in his step, arm elevated.. and of Course, OUT OF FOCUS..

It seems no matter how Close/Far away The Creature is always blurry..

I was wondering with all the technology we have today..

Why are all these pictures coming out Blurry, Out of Focus, All black, A bright light, or anything..

If I have the power to connect with someone in China through a Gameboy, why can't someone take a half-way decent picture of "Bigfoot" or anything?

[Sozo]

I wanted to talk about the possible "Sasquatch(us)" Creature on Mars..

ars is red or whatever color..

A few days ago a picture was taken by one of the Rovers, where near a pie of rocks a "Creature" was seen walking..

Of course all Sasquatch pictures are taken when he's walking half way in his step, arm elevated.. and of Course, OUT OF FOCUS..

It seems no matter how Close/Far away The Creature is always blurry..

I was wondering with all the technology we have today..

Why are all these pictures coming out Blurry, Out of Focus, All black, A bright light, or anything..

If I have the power to connect with someone in China through a Gameboy, why can't someone take a half-way decent picture of "Bigfoot" or anything?

See, the Sasquatch creature is actually an interdimensional alien from the rip in space you call an "alternate universe". They are merely emissaries and scouts for an ancient, all powerful alien race bent on destroying all life on earth (what alien race in the galaxy isn't these days?). These immensely powerful aliens equipped their scouts with powerful bodies, complete with plenty of hair to protect against unfriendly environments (Mars... this explains the red hair). Technology wise, they bestowed upon the big footed beasts advanced, space warping devices, capable of warping the fabric of time-space around them, thus the apparent blurryness (we can't see completely into their dimension). These creatures are more intelligent than us mere humans, and so are able to evade us most of the time. But once in a while, we catch them by surprise, and expose their blurry, hairy, shoe-size-27.5 selves for all the world to see.

In the bible it states somehting about "Moses"/"Jesus"/"God" meeting Someone who came form a Ring of fire, described very much like what Humans believe to be an Alien..

No one's ever paid attention to that =\..

I didn't say 900 Million light years away I said 1 Billion :]..

My Religion is Atheist..

What? Perhaps you are reading the wrong Bible. Getting Moses, Jesus, and God confused is pretty bad. Perhaps you shouldn't rely on second hand criticism.

[Wither]

In the bible it states somehting about "Moses"/"Jesus"/"God" meeting Someone who came form a Ring of fire, described very much like what Humans believe to be an Alien..

No one's ever paid attention to that =\..

I know you're not religious at all... but would you mind grabbing the reference to that passage? I don't recall ever reading/hearing anything about a 'Ring of Fire'. Perhaps you mean the time that God appeared to Moses in the form of a burning bush?

I didn't say 900 Million light years away I said 1 Billion :]..

That doesn't improve the situation at all... as 900 million is a good deal smaller than one billion. >_>

Years ago, we thought traveling to the moon was stretching it. Before that, cars, etc. Saying that is quite close-minded because technology is a vastly unexplored area. You take your opinion from what we know, but what we know is not everything. What if we missed this one small thing, and that thing was the key to do X? If another universe found how to achieve X just by chance, by all means that is completely logical.

My answer to this will cause me to sound like a religious zealot, close-minded fool, or raving lunatic. (take your pick)

But beyond what we have established as fact through science, my opinion comes from the following verses.

26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so.

Emphasis mine

What I get from that is that humans were created special. We're the only living creatures that are said to have been made in the image of God. He gave us dominion over "everything that has breath". I don't feel that's limited to this planet.

In *my* opinion, cheapening our value by claiming that there is a race of creatures with far superior intelligence and ability to our own is a bizarre concept.

(I added the extreme emphasis on 'my' to make it extra clear that they are my beliefs and not a literal definition from the Bible or the views of mainstream Christianity in general.)

[Sozo]

See, the Sasquatch creature is actually an interdimensional alien from the rip in space you call an "alternate universe". They are merely emissaries and scouts for an ancient, all powerful alien race bent on destroying all life on earth (what alien race in the galaxy isn't these days?). These immensely powerful aliens equipped their scouts with powerful bodies, complete with plenty of hair to protect against unfriendly environments (Mars... this explains the red hair). Technology wise, they bestowed upon the big footed beasts advanced, space warping devices, capable of warping the fabric of time-space around them, thus the apparent blurryness (we can't see completely into their dimension). These creatures are more intelligent than us mere humans, and so are able to evade us most of the time. But once in a while, we catch them by surprise, and expose their blurry, hairy, shoe-size-27.5 selves for all the world to see.

I want to make it clear that I am being a bit sarcastic here. I would also like to second what Wither said:

What I get from that is that humans were created special. We're the only living creatures that are said to have been made in the image of God. He gave us dominion over "everything that has breath". I don't feel that's limited to this planet.

In *my* opinion, cheapening our value by claiming that there is a race of creatures with far superior intelligence and ability to our own is a bizarre concept.

I don't really believe God created aliens, and I don't really believe that even if He had, they could reach earth (physics anyone?).

[Helio]

Oh, wait. I don't need a spacecraft, do I?

I think I just found a REAL picture of Helio.

No no, silly. Try:

[Bobofthedead]

I wanted to talk about the possible "Sasquatch(us)" Creature on Mars..

ars is red or whatever color..

A few days ago a picture was taken by one of the Rovers, where near a pie of rocks a "Creature" was seen walking..

Of course all Sasquatch pictures are taken when he's walking half way in his step, arm elevated.. and of Course, OUT OF FOCUS..

It seems no matter how Close/Far away The Creature is always blurry..

I was wondering with all the technology we have today..

Why are all these pictures coming out Blurry, Out of Focus, All black, A bright light, or anything..

If I have the power to connect with someone in China through a Gameboy, why can't someone take a half-way decent picture of "Bigfoot" or anything?

I saw that in The Times. It looked fairly rock-like to me... Seeing as it was inanimate, and rust-red...

This has less to do with government slip-ups and more with cosmology, but if you want universes, check out the NYTimes' "Big Brain Theory: Have Cosomologists Lost Theirs?"

I read that article! It was incredible, really made me think long and hard about the universe(s).

[Yata]

[long quote from wither]

Well, considering I'm not Christian and do not beleive such ways, I'm not going to agree with that on any level. Wicca has never set rules and conditions as such, so I derive my opinion from my sense of logic.

Oh well. I'll just have to look like an idiot until something (hopefully) happens to prove my outlook.