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Well, I was about to post a response in the Presidential Campaign debate, but I guess I can spill my personal opinions here. First, yes we should have invaded Iraq. And hardly anybody disagreed at the time. Why? 9/11. People tend to forget that this is not the war on Iraq, but the war on terrorism. We are not fighting a group of people, but a general idea. By leaving the war we leave our orignal goals unfinished, and opens a vunerablitiy to us as a society, which in terms could lead to more terrorism. You may say the war is based on lies (which I will disagree on later), and that the war is more than finished. But who organized the 9/11 attacks? Osama bin Laden. Has he been captured and put on trial? No. Some may say he is dead, but that is a theory that cannot be proven until proof can be given. Also, some say this war is on lies, as I previously stated, which is a lie in itself. When someone says they believe Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, and it turns out they got rid of them in 2003 (two years after 9/11 if you do the math) then it is not technically a lie. Proving a theory is wrong isnt enough to call the theorist a liar, as he never said it was true. David.Atwell pointed out in the Presidential Campaign debate that no one seems to notice we liberated a nation from a cruel nation also. Pointless? I think not. Sure, we may have miscalculated who supports Al Qaeda, but look at the good that came from it. Stop being pessimistic about the lossess and think about the gains!Also, tell me 9/11 is a lie. Go ahead try. This is a war on terrorism, as in stating that we are fighting terrorism. 9/11 was an act of terrorism, organized by Al Qaeda (sp, I know). Al Qaeda has not been defeated, and we have not even found their leader. The war is not over, it is not based on lies, and thus bringing the boys home will just be another Vietnamn repeat. Nothing will be settled, only more conflict.

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Well I don't want to get to deep into this so I will state my answer now. Bring them home or send them to look for Osama.

I am getting sick of see Iraq everytime I turn on my TV and not a thing about afghanistan. It makes me feel as if the media is trying to brain wash people into thinking 911 was the doing of Iraq. Plus there are not as many troops in Iraq as you may think. The bush administration is paying "contractors" or as I like to call them "mercenaries" to do the dirty work as no laws apply to them and there deaths are not recorded.

Don't belive me ?

or how about this one were they shoot unarmed civilians driving on the road for fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZX1odzHdAo

So I am all for getting a new president. Maybe one with morals.

PS: Mike.Ryan52 it funny that only after 9/11 that our troops had to do 2 wars instead of just one. Bush was hoping to find weapons of mass destruction because his daddy gave them to Iraq.

Oh my see what happen now. I got heated and had to show my feelings.

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@ Hitman: Bush did the same thing as Roosevolt did. He used 9/11 (Pearl Harbor) as a work around and means to attack Iraq (Germany). In the end, good came out of it. Also, I dont think it fair to consider it 'two wars' but merely one war, multiple causes. Like I said, terrorism is too open of a word. We arent fighting against a group of people, but merely an idea. Bush is smarter than what we all think, if you think about it.

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mike ryan: pls. let me know if I got your point right: the war is not against Iraq, but against terrorism and you are fighting against a general idea not specifically against the people of Iraq, with this logic you might have invaded England or Italy that's the same! You say that the point is to catch Osama Bin Laden a saudi arabian terrorist (formerly enrolled by c.i.a. to fight russians in afghanistan) who anybody say could be anywhere but Iraq (he is most likely around Pakistan borders). Yes iraq did have weapon of mass destruction (usa and great britain did sell them to Iraq) when as I said before he was our son of a b... in the war against Iran. You admit you miscalculated the real supporters of al qhaida but that's it we made a mistake now we are there and shall go on perseverating in our mistake! The good that came of it? Ask the iraqi people about it! Premise: Saddam was a dictator and a cruel one too but each people/nation has the right to get rid of its own dictactors without foreign interferences, but he did just one good thing : keep the religion separated from the politics . Now they are divided into so many religious/ethnical streams (sciites, sunnites,curds) thus ending in civil war to prevail against each other and that it is not exactly my concept of an established democracy.

Hitman-X. I do believe you, see the way the contractors from Blackwater (is it the correct name?) enjoy themselves in shooting innocent civilians or gasifying u.s. troops and civilians yes i do call them mercenaries too. (but to call them with their real name nearly ended in a political mess in my country when we actually had 2 mercenaries killed, like if they were heroes! that's the way all this drove us: we cannot call things with their real names!)

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I believe that we should pull out of Iraq. This is my husband's 3rd time over there.We are a rapid deployment post. He's is not over there doing the job that he had trained for, Field Artillery. His life is put in danger to excort people around. You have to understand that the people of Iraq have no problem with commiting suicide and will take out as many people as possible when they "blow" themselves up. How do you fight people like that? Why are we really there. We got Saddam, ok, so why are we still there. Why aren't we concentrating on Bin Ladan? Bush went over there to try to do what his father couldn't. That is to get control over the oil.We are not over there rebuilding. We are over there trying to get control of the government.They didn't ask for us to be over there. They don't like us or want our help. So bring our troops home. We are not accomplishing anything over there, but getting our soldiers killed. There are so many soldiers right now doing crazy stuff just not to go over there. Cowards, maybe, but i can see from there point, that they don't know why they are over there and they are scared! Only because Bush wants them there, and they can't refuse! I wouldn't want them near my husband for the simple reason that they wouldn't have his back.

It messed up that when there ETS is up, they still can't get out, they are extended. They government don't really know or they really don't care about the state of mind that these men and women go through or what their families go through. I have lost so many friends in "combat". We have a area where we dedicated a tree to the soldiers, from our post only, who have lost their lives over there. I cry everytime I see one get planted. What can we tell these soldier family. How do you comfort them. It would be different if we were going after Bin Laden. Then they would know why we are at war. Terrorism has been going on for decades. Yet we never interfered as much as we are doing in Iraq. This is not a peace mission. This is a take over! Sorry for the rambling. but i'm just sick and tired of waiting for some one to come knocking on my door to tell me my husband was killed "in action"!

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