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Let me tell you what I read there, not so much the words you wrote, but the meaning behind them as I understand it.

You would rather the majority of the population of the world died, so that you could have fun?

That's what I understood.

At the moment, more of the worlds population lives in the 3rd world. It is so much easier for the governments to ignore them & let them die than it is to actually do something about them. I may be jumping the gun a little here but the people with power would be the ones that are left after they've ignored people in starving countries. The people that have power are in the minority, as are the people that live in the countries that have power.

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Let me tell you what I read there, not so much the words you wrote, but the meaning behind them as I understand it.

You would rather the majority of the population of the world died, so that you could have fun?

That's what I understood.

No, being the same in one long life is death - isn't that actually the definition of death?

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It's not perfect, I'll grant you that, but it's better than the starving people all over the world is it not?

I would rather a few die than everyone live in such a boring world.

The "few" dying might be over than billions of peope, but who cares? Better than living in such a boring world that gives same opportunities to everybody. Equal opportunities to me are simple things like to have the right of having a job to live on, have a home and live a life with dignity

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It's not perfect, I'll grant you that, but it's better than the starving people all over the world is it not?

I would rather a few die than everyone live in such a boring world.

The "few" dying might be over than billions of peope, but who cares? Better than living in such a boring world that gives same opportunities to everybody. Equal opportunities to me are simple things like to have the right of having a job to live on, have a home and live a life with dignity

What opportunities? What dignity?

P.S. You may want to quote my recent arguments in a debate.

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I've made my point & I've told you where I stand. That is 50% of a debate, the other part is arguing with people who have a different stand to you. I've done that too.

I don't intend to post in this thread again as it's only serving to wind me up.

I hope that you're all happy with the fact that millions of people live a horrible life just so that a massive minority can live in comfort.

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just stating that any human being has the right to live his life with dignity (have a job, a house and means of living, if you call this communism than communism is a good thing)

But don't people also deserve the potential to go higher? As a socialist, I do believe helping the poor is a huge priority - but not to the extent of completley re-writing the purpose of life.

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The point is that communism and socialism fundamentally don't work. They simply don't. In the systems, people are not being rewarded for working harder (by getting more pay); thus, they don't. In fact, they are penalized for working harder. And a nation filled with people who do nothing (or only the bare minimum) would quickly be plunged into utter and abject poverty.

So, sure; communism and socialism would be lovely. They just wouldn't work.

Capitalism is the only system that allows a people group to excel, because it puts a premium on hard work. You may not like it, but that's how it works.

 

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just stating that any human being has the right to live his life with dignity (have a job, a house and means of living, if you call this communism than communism is a good thing)

But don't people also deserve the potential to go higher? As a socialist, I do believe helping the poor is a huge priority - but not to the extent of completley re-writing the purpose of life.

I think socialism has nothing to deal with poors, that is a issue for churchs or charity patronages, it has more to deal with workers conditions and their rights, without exhuming old words like surplus value and without putting any label, l I just would like to see a society where fundamental rights are assured i.e. the right to have a free education, to receive an appropriate n.h.s. care when needed, the right to have a job and means of living, the right of receiving adequate assistance when you are not anymore self-sufficient (elderly people , physically disabled, etc.), the right to receive a pension you can live on once you retire from work, the right to receive temporary assistance when you lose your job. You can then name this society socialdemocratic, liberal democratic or whatsoever they will just be labels once you have assured to everyone their fundamental rights .

This due, it does not necessary mean that if you have the potential to, you cannot achieve major goals.

In better words I would like to see the money we all give for taxes to be better invested by our governments

p.s.( pant, gasp it is such a strain to render this kind of a stuff in a foreign language (I had to make a draft!)

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The point is that communism and socialism fundamentally don't work. They simply don't. In the systems, people are not being rewarded for working harder (by getting more pay); thus, they don't. In fact, they are penalized for working harder.

You are making a common mistake.

Socialism != Communism

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I am not making a mistake. I understand the difference between socialism and communism. They both suffer from the same fundamental flaw.

 

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Amy: But how did it end up in there?
The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.
River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him.

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Communism is a good idea in theory, but in practice, It simply fails. There are only two communist countries in the world that haven't been completely unsuccessful (China and Vietnam) but even then, I'm stretching it.
QFT. Lovely if it worked. But as it doesn't, it's simply proof that humans suck. :-)

 

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Amy: But how did it end up in there?
The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.
River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him.

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Communism is a good idea in theory, but in practice, It simply fails. There are only two communist countries in the world that haven't been completely unsuccessful (China and Vietnam) but even then, I'm stretching it.

I am afraid you've chosen the wrong examples to support your theory of a supposed limited success of commmunist theories, China nowadays does not exactly shine as leading example of freedom, justice and fair working conditions! May be Mao Tse Dong agrary reform was good those days to raise famers' miserable conditions but presently we assist to a rather schizophrenic attempt to mix capitalism with socialism where workers conditions are worsening every day. I think the closest to realize a communist society (within its limited means due to embargo) is Cuba (com'n now nail me to a cross!) where there is a high-level free education, a free N.H.S. and aids from the state to support families. Any cuban I've asked even if totally dissenting from Castro agreed with that , of course they cannot afford to buy essential cannotlivewithout goods such as gucci's bags or prada's (bleah!) dresses....

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