Debate: Who should be president?

[Simon Brown]

Who do you think should win the US elections? Mike Huckabee? Hillary Clinton? Ron Paul?

[Sozo]

This could possibly go in my Caucus thread, but regardless, I believe Huckabee should win.

[Yata]

Sorry for being blunt, but anyone with common sense would be better than our current leader.

[david.atwell]

Mike Huckabee, totally. As you may see if you look below. :-)

[Crazy Man Dan]

I should be president. :wink:

On an honest note, though, I've not really looked into the candidates very closely. I saw a program one night on which Obama was a guest, and he seemed to be a rather pleasant person and a very composed speaker - however I've little notion of his politics or his stance on the "issues".

I know I will stand before a firing squad sooner than I would support Hillary Clinton.

Huckabee seems like an interesting chap, even moreso since I share his general religious views, but again, I've not yet read into his political stance or history, and I'll not pledge support to a guy just because we believe in the same supernatural entity. Also, he lost about 70% of the respect I did have for him when I saw this:

Now, I'm all for Norris, but spouting tired old memes from three years ago is not a great way to advertise oneself...

I do happen to agree with Yata, though - as long as our next president has the ability to put together a coherent sentence, or, dare I hope, a string of several consecutive coherent sentences, it'll be a step up.

[david.atwell]

That ad seems to be his campaign's idea of a joke, as well as the exception, not the rule. I've found him to be very articulate and well-reasoned, with excellent stances on the important issues.

Besides, he doesn't sound like a politician, which clenched him in my book. :-)

[topezia]

Sorry for being blunt, but anyone with common sense would be better than our current leader.

I totally agree with that Yata, but besides that a woman president would represent a great change and I think Hillary is a tough cookie and surely qualified and educated (just bad she voted for the war in Iraq) that is my opinion but anyone will surely do better than present administration, and if they are not double-linked to powerful lobbies that will be even better (utopia?)

[Ace Jon]

I would want Huckabee because of the Norris campaign, not despite it. Then again, I'm not American, so I don't really care either way.

[ncfan51]

Read my sig...

[david.atwell]

I totally agree with that Yata, but besides that a woman president would represent a great change and I think Hillary is a tough cookie and surely qualified and educated (just bad she voted for the war in Iraq) that is my opinion but anyone will surely do better than present administration, and if they are not double-linked to powerful lobbies that will be even better (utopia?)

Hillary has had more about-faces on opinion than John Kerry. She's not even sure of her own opinion, and she's sure as heck not going to lead our country in a positive direction. She just wants to be a president for power; she's doesn't seem to me the slightest bit sincere, and electing a woman just because she is a woman is just as sexist as electing a man just because he's a man.

I'm kind of sick of this Bush-bashing. You try being the president in the most difficult era of our time. Is he the best president ever? By no means. Has he done the right thing in anything? That's up for debate. Do I like the man? Not all that much, anymore. Is he the worst president ever? By no means. I know it's chic to bash on him, but think for yourself. Do your research. And calm down - he's not the antichrist, just a guy who's made some mistakes.

EDIT: Oh, and as for the "Bush Is Dumb" idea - he graduated from an Ivy League school with a higher GPA than John Kerry.

[topezia]

I totally agree with that Yata, but besides that a woman president would represent a great change and I think Hillary is a tough cookie and surely qualified and educated (just bad she voted for the war in Iraq) that is my opinion but anyone will surely do better than present administration, and if they are not double-linked to powerful lobbies that will be even better (utopia?)

Hillary has had more about-faces on opinion than John Kerry. She's not even sure of her own opinion, and she's sure as heck not going to lead our country in a positive direction. She just wants to be a president for power; she's doesn't seem to me the slightest bit sincere, and electing a woman just because she is a woman is just as sexist as electing a man just because he's a man.

I'm kind of sick of this Bush-bashing. You try being the president in the most difficult era of our time. Is he the best president ever? By no means. Has he done the right thing in anything? That's up for debate. Do I like the man? Not all that much, anymore. Is he the worst president ever? By no means. I know it's chic to bash on him, but think for yourself. Do your research. And calm down - he's not the antichrist, just a guy who's made some mistakes.

EDIT: Oh, and as for the "Bush Is Dumb" idea - he graduated from an Ivy League school with a higher GPA than John Kerry.

I did not mention any Bush is Dumb in my post, (that is done much better than I can by David Letterman segment in Presidential Speeches). I have no doubt he graduated as I have no doubt his family is wealthy and powerful. But besides that do not know much about this supposed Hillary double about face but she is surely a prepared and determined woman, she wants to be president for power? What about the others? They want to be president for ideals?

As for Bush being president in the most difficult moment of our time he is the same guy that when adviced of usa being under attack just remained seated with his copy of My pet goat upside down for more than 10 minutes doing just nothing with an astonished look on his face?

Nixon was bad these guys are worse (G. Mc Govern)

[david.atwell]

I have no doubt he graduated as I have no doubt his family is wealthy and powerful.

So you're suggesting his education records were faked? I'd have an easier time believing that the whole government is controlled by a secret organization.

But besides that do not know much about this supposed Hillary double about face

She supported the war in 2004. Now she absolutely opposes it, because public opinion is against it. Come on, surely you've heard of it. :-)

but she is surely a prepared and determined woman,

Debatable.

she wants to be president for power? What about the others? They want to be president for ideals?

They say they do. I'm not saying I believe them; just saying that the ideals that they're talking about are a lot better and more believable than hers.

As for Bush being president in the most difficult moment of our time he is the same guy that when adviced of usa being under attack just remained seated with his copy of My pet goat upside down for more than 10 minutes doing just nothing with an astonished look on his face?

Oh, come on. Go back and take a look again. He stayed and read to the kids until it was confirmed; as soon as that happened, he was gone. The Democratic Congressional Caucus was meeting at the same time - they sat there, stunned by the news, watching the TV, from the time the second plane hit until the time the Pentagon was hit. That's almost a full hour. You want to talk about wasting time? President Bush didn't want to alarm children, so he stayed in the classroom for a few minutes. What were the democrats doing?

Nixon was bad these guys are worse (G. Mc Govern)

Hmm. Know what else is getting old? "Conservatives are evil." Just as stupid an idea as "Liberals are hippies."

(NOTE: This is a debate. Please take my comments as they're given - sharp for the sake of my argument. I actually quite like you, Topezia. :-) )

[Bobofthedead]

Didn't Bush once talk about the "border relations between Mexico and Canada"? Boy. I know there was this stereotype about Americans not knowing of the existence of the outside world, but I didn't know it stretches that far... I don't think we've mis-underestimated him somehow, he seems like he's wearing thin after being in power for so long - the same as any other leader of a democratic state.

[Simon Brown]

Problems with candidates

Hillary Clinton - Judacil Watch most wanted

Mike Huckabee - Agrees with combination of religion and state

Ron Paul - Racist

Mitt Romney - Corrupted econamy in his state

Rudy Giuliani - Too right-wing

[Ace Jon]

Mike Huckabee - Agrees with combination of religion and state

Um, has any US President not agreed with that?

[Olli]

Problems with candidates

Hillary Clinton - Judacil Watch most wanted

Mike Huckabee - Agrees with combination of religion and state

Ron Paul - Racist

Mitt Romney - Corrupted econamy in his state

Rudy Giuliani - Too right-wing

Pick Obama!

[topezia]

I have no doubt he graduated as I have no doubt his family is wealthy and powerful.

So you're suggesting his education records were faked? I'd have an easier time believing that the whole government is controlled by a secret organization. Well, the Carlyle group is a very powerful organization

But besides that do not know much about this supposed Hillary double about face

She supported the war in 2004. Now she absolutely opposes it, because public opinion is against it. Come on, surely you've heard of it. :-) Yes I did in fact I stated that she made the mistake to support Iraq war

but she is surely a prepared and determined woman,

Debatable. She surely must be, she is a lawyer!

she wants to be president for power? What about the others? They want to be president for ideals?

They say they do. I'm not saying I believe them; just saying that the ideals that they're talking about are a lot better and more believable than hers. Let's just talk about facts, not ideals, i.e., their programs: what they intend to do for foreign politic (war, reduce pollution according to Kyoto protocol) and domestic policy

As for Bush being president in the most difficult moment of our time he is the same guy that when adviced of usa being under attack just remained seated with his copy of My pet goat upside down for more than 10 minutes doing just nothing with an astonished look on his face?

Oh, come on. Go back and take a look again. He stayed and read to the kids until it was confirmed; as soon as that happened, he was gone. The Democratic Congressional Caucus was meeting at the same time - they sat there, stunned by the news, watching the TV, from the time the second plane hit until the time the Pentagon was hit. That's almost a full hour. You want to talk about wasting time? President Bush didn't want to alarm children, so he stayed in the classroom for a few minutes. What were the democrats doing?

Nixon was bad these guys are worse (G. Mc Govern)

Hmm. Know what else is getting old? "Conservatives are evil." Just as stupid an idea as "Liberals are hippies." Well, I am a sort of hippy myself so that stupid statement could be right for me :wink: Apart from jokes no, I do not think all conservatives are evil. You think he did not want to alarm children, I think he just sat there not knowing what to do until someone told him, that is, we all eyewitnessed that film and we reported different impressions...

(NOTE: This is a debate. Please take my comments as they're given - sharp for the sake of my argument. I actually quite like you, Topezia. :-) )

I like sharp politics argumentation (it is our national sport besides soccer, which I do not like) and yes I like you too Mr. David Atwell (violin strings playing offstage )

p.s.: I do not mind Obama too, but I will believe it true only when I shall actually see him sitting in the oval room and still I will be afraid for his life and strongly suggest him not to go to Dallas!

[Simon Brown]

I do not mind Obama too, but I will believe it true only when I shall actually see him sitting in the oval room and still I will be afraid for his life and strongly suggest him not to go to Dallas!

Are you saying Obama is a trap to catch out people the gov don't want?

[topezia]

I do not mind Obama too, but I will believe it true only when I shall actually see him sitting in the oval room and still I will be afraid for his life and strongly suggest him not to go to Dallas!

Are you saying Obama is a trap to catch out people the gov don't want?

No mine was just a joke about my fearings that a black president could be assassinated 8Dallas)

[Sozo]

Problems with candidates

...Mike Huckabee - Agrees with combination of religion and state...

Really? I would like to see where he said that.

I do not mind Obama too, but I will believe it true only when I shall actually see him sitting in the oval room and still I will be afraid for his life and strongly suggest him not to go to Dallas!

Are you saying Obama is a trap to catch out people the gov don't want?

No mine was just a joke about my fearings that a black president could be assassinated 8Dallas)

What's wrong with Dallas? You're from Italy, have you ever been to Dallas?

[topezia]

What's wrong with Dallas? You're from Italy, have you ever been to Dallas?

It is the third time now i am trying to post my reply, hope this is the good one, yes I am italian but that does not mean I never leave my borders and yes I've been in the States before but not in Dallas and , no, there is nothing wrong with Dallas or its citizens as far as I know, mine was just an historical reference to a place where a former U.S. president was killed in 1963, sorry you misunderstood it. Besides I loved the little I saw of U.S. and hope I will be able to see more and more in the near future!

[david.atwell]

Problems with candidates

Hillary Clinton - Judacil Watch most wanted

Mike Huckabee - Agrees with combination of religion and state

Ron Paul - Racist

Mitt Romney - Corrupted econamy in his state

Rudy Giuliani - Too right-wing

Honestly, I don't see a single thing there that's both true and non-opinion. Well, the Clinton thing, but then again, I don't know what that means... ;-)

Huckabee doesn't agree with combining religion and state. He has simply said that his decisions in office will be made based upon his Christan principles - every president bases his decisions upon his principles.

Paul is a racist? I have never heard such a thing...

Romney corrupted what economy? I'd like some facts, please...

Giuliani too right-wing? Wow, that statement couldn't be further from the truth. He's the most centrist candidate out there - on either side of the aisle.

[ncfan51]

Huckabee might appeal to religious voters, but that doesn't necessarily mean he believes in no separation of church and state.

[david.atwell]

In fact, he goes out of his way to point out that he DOES believe in separation of church and state, as outlined in the Constitution.

Oh, as a side note: you probably don't understand Separation of Church and State the way you think you do. It's not as restrictive as you might think. Oh, and the phrase doesn't appear anywhere in the Constitution.

(The "You" in this sentence is not in reference to any particular person. It's in general.)

[Mike Ryan]

Just as long as some peace-loving "get out of the war" candidate isnt sitting in office I am happy. Why? Because giving up to the Al Queda is going to represent the one weakness with a freethinking economy: we dont like death. Ever thought about the effects of Vietnam and and how Al Queda is pursuing this war? Guerilla tactics. If we leave this war unfinished we may as well start posting some of these everywhere:

But seriously, this is just turning into a repeat of Vietnamn!! We as Americans cannot leave the war unfinished. It is the biggest mistake we can make. Sure, be antiwar, but at least finish the war and problems at hand so that more problems and wars dont spawn off of it!

(Sorry for the garggled english. Advanced English started today and I hate the language now )