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Debate: Capital Punishment

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Here is one of the more common debates.

Do you support capital punishment? If so, what crimes should be capital crimes? If not, are there some rare circumstances (eg Saddam Hussein) where it might be justified. What about the fact that levels capital punishment have discriminatory correlations (including racism, sexism and wealth)?

What methods are justified?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty

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[Off-topic] Slow down with those debates! whe already have 4 ! [/Off-topic]

and then they say im the troll :wink:

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Yes, i support it.

Capital Crimes:

1: Serial murder (more then 3 in a row.)

2: Suicide attempt

3: Terrorism attempt (as in having plans for crashing big things into high buildings)

4: Being Belgian.

Plain old decapitation. Bit of a mess, but it's easy to clean up if you have a plastic floor, it's quick, and painless.

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I do support capital punishment for things like murder and terrorism, or other high crimes. But I also think that it should be taken seriously, and should not be carried out until guilt is proven beyond reasonable doubt.

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I do support capital punishment for things like murder and terrorism, or other high crimes. But I also think that it should be taken seriously, and should not be carried out until guilt is proven beyond reasonable doubt.

Reasonable doubt is if the judge thinks it's something which is plausable which would damage the case :wink:

To be honest, I spent half a year finding out the meaning of reasonable doubt, and to be honest, it isn't worth it. Reasonable doubt is if that you think that the doubt is something which is plausable in all reality, beyong reasonable doubt. A.k.a, one of those stupid things which just continue having a meaning inside a meaning. Basically, it's up to them to decide if the prosecution has done everything to make sure all of the evidence which would save the person has been erased. Think it as a hard drive. The judge is the admin, and the prosecution are the hackers, putting in all of the evidecen which would get them to win the case.

As for capital punishment, it's a popular debate for Year 6's and 7's :) Personally, I have no idea if it should or shouldn't be allowed.

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personally, I'd rather be dead than rotting away in a prison for the rest of my life, so "capital punishment" isn't all that "capital"

after all, if you're dead you cannot suffer

let's not do criminals a favor, right? killing them would relief them of their misery too easily :twisted:

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That is a good point Harold, but with the criminal system as it is (in the UK at least), prison sentences do not last long enough. A life sentence, for example, is only 30 years for a single murder (-ish), the average sentence completed before parole is half that figure; now, how is that life? If you take into account the other forms of life tariff - whole life, shorter, longer, dependant on crime, etc, - there is still one common factor between them all: an appeal. How can the murderer of people (one or more*) be allowed to appeal for a shorter sentence, how are they allowed to dictate their punishment?

So, yes, letting them rot with the company of their own guilt and remorse for their crime is a good solution, but then they're let out years later with the possibility of doing it again - and people are unpredictable, they could do it again. Although, with that sentiment, you should lock everybody up as everybody has the potential of killing another person, heck, the ones condemned for it have expressed that potential already, but then, if they have committed a crime of murder, then I feel the same fate should be dealt to them; 'so in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.' Morality at its finest, right there, in print, Matthew 7:12.

*I'm still rooting for a similar punishment scheme for the wilful killing of animals, though I'm not too sure on the current system for it.

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I think that the death penalty should be bannned everywhere, there is no effect that scares murderers or terrorists. In my eyes those peole should just be away from the public as long as they are dangerous. A long prison sentence or probably some kind of locked hospitals can cure a lot of people. Also 30 years of prison are a really hard and appropriate punishment, some people even commit suicide while in prison because they can't take it anymore, think about that.

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I think that the death penalty should be bannned everywhere, there is no effect that scares murderers or terrorists. In my eyes those peole should just be away from the public as long as they are dangerous. A long prison sentence or probably some kind of locked hospitals can cure a lot of people. Also 30 years of prison are a really hard and appropriate punishment, some people even commit suicide while in prison because they can't take it anymore, think about that.

A. Commiting suicide defeats the purpose of a life sentence.

B. Supporting prisoners for 50-60 years is a HUGE drain on resources.

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Capital Punishment should not be banned. In the states, staying in prison is like staying in a hotel. AC, free food, warm shower. Hey, you can even get your degree in jail free of charge. So, do I fear jail? No. Capital punishment is even to nice. Put them to sleep, give them pain killers, and quickly kill them painlessy with a shot. Other than death, it doesnt sound so bad. What I am saying is we need to become more harsh. It costs too much to keep inmates, and death row is way to slow and painless. Bring back the electric chair and get rid of AC, and you will see your crime rate decrease.

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Capital Punishment should not be banned. In the states, staying in prison is like staying in a hotel. AC, free food, warm shower. Hey, you can even get your degree in jail free of charge. So, do I fear jail? No. Capital punishment is even to nice. Put them to sleep, give them pain killers, and quickly kill them painlessy with a shot. Other than death, it doesnt sound so bad. What I am saying is we need to become more harsh. It costs too much to keep inmates, and death row is way to slow and painless. Bring back the electric chair and get rid of AC, and you will see your crime rate decrease.

All the statistics say that fear of death penalty does not decrease crime rates.

By the way, how do you know so well U.S. prison's conditions? And what about if a person sentenced to death is afterwards found to be innocent?

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haven't been there, but if it was just bread and water there would be protest, right?

So you assume that things are bad because people arn't protesting. Or is it the constently whinging daily mail readers saying prison is like a ***** hotel?

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I feel that instead of a quick, painless death, prisoners convicted of a serious crime such as murder or rape should go to a 60+ year sentence, in a much harsher 1950s style prison: bad food, terrible cell, no privileges besides visitors and one phone call a week, which can be revoked. At the moment, Sabrown, the Daily Mail readers are probably right: more is spent on prison food, meal for meal, than is spent on meals for primary school children or NHS patients, and in some prisons, the convicts can get "presents" like Xbox 360s or PS3s for good behaviour. Why reward them now? They have committed a crime, so why reward them for good behaviour. If they want to behave well, let them, but don't let them get rewarded for it: everyone from the smallest child to the oldest man or woman can behave well, but do the majority of them get such rewards for their behaviour? No. Why should a murderer or rapist get rewarded, at that point? If we make prison the terrible punishment it once was, then people will fear it as a punishment. At the moment, it is better than many of the inmates' former lives.

In addition to the fear argument for making prison more harsh, it will also save money: by seriously economising at the expense of the convicts, money can be saved which can go to some of the people affected crime, and to various other sources.

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In addition to the fear argument for making prison more harsh, it will also save money: by seriously economising at the expense of the convicts, money can be saved which can go to some of the people affected crime, and to various other sources.
Precisely, and I agree with you. It cost somewhere on average GBP£28,000 per annum for a 'regular' convict in a UK prison. That only increases for the longer sentences - life, etc.. Far too much for my liking. Although, I cannot see prison-life becoming any worse any time soon, all the Human Rights followers are too adamant that prisoners deserve the same rights as everybody else. My right arse cheek should have more rights than them.
B. Supporting prisoners for 50-60 years is a HUGE drain on resources.
Exactly. Punishment by death is a good resolution to that. It solves both quotes, therefore is a win-win situation in my mind.

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Well, my logic on this is that a horrible existence is worse than a quick painless death. Mind you, it can't be all that cheap to execute a prisoner, when you consider legal fees, keeping a prisoner on Death Row for what could be years and the electricity (if you go down that route), and then quite possibly compensation for trauma on the account of the executor.

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