Debate: Mandetory Vaccination

[david.atwell]

How do you call a father who kills his son? A murderer.

So why should you call a believer the father who let his son die cause he refuses him to receive a blood transfusion? A person should be responsible for his own life not for the life of others (unless he is an executor) what about his son's point of view? cause it is his life we are talking of.

Again, how can you respect someone who believes in eternal damnation and allows his son to do something that he believes will take him there? I am of the Christian faith, and I believe that anyone who rejects God will pass into an eternity without Him - that is, eternal torment, or hell. So how could I allow anyone I claim to love to reject Him? How could I call it love if I allow him to flippantly put off the idea of God without trying all I could to save his eternal soul?

The same motivation applies to someone that believes vaccination leads to eternal damnation. It doesn't matter if you or I don't believe it; the fact is that some do. And as soon as we start abridging that right, we set a very dangerous precedent.

[Yata]

Exactly. Like I said, different views of logic. Your not taking into account the other view and only your own.

[Simon Brown]

How could I call it love if I allow him to flippantly put off the idea of God without trying all I could to save his eternal soul?

How far would you go - would you lie down in front of the car to stop your muslim wife going to a mosque?

[david.atwell]

I wouldn't, because I don't think it would be effective. But some might.

[Simon Brown]

I wouldn't, because I don't think it would be effective. But some might.

But if it were effective - would you?

[david.atwell]

If laying down in front of my muslim wife's car would be successful in keeping her from hell, then yes. In fact, if I felt that giving my life would save anyone I love from hell, then I would undoubtedly do it.

[Simon Brown]

If laying down in front of my muslim wife's car.

But both of you would either go to heavan or hell - would you leave that decision to her or take the decision. We are forgetting technicalities so don't say things about the particular faiths.

I didn't mean "would you risk getting run over to save someone you love" - "I meant would you get in the way of their faith?".

[harold]

But both of you would either go to heavan or hell

maybe they'll both go to hell - each of them goes to hell because of the other's religion

that is, if you take Exodus 20:3 seriously (breaking this rule reserves a place in hell for you right?) and assuming that there is something similar in the Koran (is there?)

if that's true, then everyone goes to hell, how nice I wonder if it's all the same hell or would we be sorted on religion?

would not-believing in Hell spare you from being sent to it? Where do you end up if you don't believe in Heaven either? Still in either one or does your soul (assuming souls exist..) just disappear? Something else?

drifting a bit off-topic sorry, all is lost for me anyway, atheists don't go to heaven - even DA can't save me now

Extremism is a term used to describe the actions or ideologies of individuals or groups outside the perceived political center of a society; or otherwise claimed to violate common standards of ethics and reciprocity.

letting your children die for your religion violates my notion of ethics, clearly it doesn't for them otherwise they wouldn't do it.. so what's the standard here?

[Simon Brown]

This isn't a debate about religion - that was just an example brought on by the mainstream viewpoint.

[topezia]

I do not share your opinion but I would give my life to give you the right to express it.

Your freedom ends where it starts to affect others' freedom.

2 simple statements to say that everybody has the right to express his creed/opinion, but when his creed tells him to exterminate everyone that does not have his same faith or to suppress over 6,000,000 jewish we'll try any means to stop him, (and if human life has a value in itself that applies either to every single life - the boy who might die cause he's denied a blood transfusion or a vaccination)

Harold: we are going to share same atheists' hell/heaven, if any, I suppose but I think we'll be in good company (many philosophers otuthere we'll have a lot of nice conversations )

[Yata]

topezia, can you please stop italicizing all your posts? It's hard to read.

[topezia]

topezia, can you please stop italicizing all your posts? It's hard to read.

off topic - well I Ilike italics, but if you say it is hard to read, ok then - end of off topic