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Debate: Mandetory Vaccination

Simon Brown

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  1. 1. Issue Vote

    • Yes - I support vaccination and it should be forced upon everyone
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    • Yes - I support forced vaccination but there should be medical exemptions
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    • Yes - I support forced vaccination but there should be medical and religious exemptions
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    • Yes - I support forced vaccination but there should be medical, religious and philosophical exemptions
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    • I support vaccination but not mandetory law.
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    • I have neutral views on vaccination and there should be no law.
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    • Vaccine Is Murder - but people should be able to choose
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    • Vaccine Is Murder - ban it
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    • Other
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Ace Jon Contributor

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So Yata, you say that if a person carrying a highly contagious disease, who believes his God will cure him, shouldn't be helped because it's against their religion? Sheez. And even then, you can always lie. Yes i went there. You can tell them it's god's holy water, and it will cure their diseases, because god's busy atm. See? People will be flooding the place for your vaccins, because it's friggin' holy!

We're talking vaccinations, not cures.

also, if your religion wants you to die, why not leave it and join one that wants you to live?

Usually, religions tend to focus on things "more important" than your mortal life or death.

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Yata Grand Master

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also, if your religion wants you to die, why not leave it and join one that wants you to live?

that would be better than knowingly endangering people around you (which sounds like a crime actually)

so all join the IPU or FSM religions :wink:

Read my post.

And never mind, Stephan, I'm not arguing with you. I made my point and you totally avoided it.

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harold Rising Star

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Read my post.

I did, but as you can see, I don't really agree..

In my opinion, religions that are dangerous for people and those around them aught to be forbidden, and everyone should be vaccinated for the good of all.

just plain stupid to let innocent people get ill/die just because we have to 'respect' crazy religions

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Read my post.

I did, but as you can see, I don't really agree..

In my opinion, religions that are dangerous for people and those around them aught to be forbidden, and everyone should be vaccinated for the good of all.

just plain stupid to let innocent people get ill/die just because we have to 'respect' crazy religions

That's not how vaccines work.

Person A refuses to get the vaccine.

Person B gets the vaccine..

-Time Passes-

Person A gets the disease.

Person B is totally unaffected so there isn't an issue for Person B.

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harold Rising Star

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of course, but the disease will continue to spread that way (although slower) so if it happens to be a disease caused be a virus which likes to change person B will get it - later (when the virus changed)

if person A was not so stupid and just let him/her-self be vaccinated, the virus would not get a chance to change and so person B would not get infected (provided there are no other people like A)

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of course, but the disease will continue to spread that way (although slower) so if it happens to be a disease caused be a virus which likes to change person B will get it - later (when the virus changed)

if person A was not so stupid and just let him/her-self be vaccinated, the virus would not get a chance to change and so person B would not get infected (provided there are no other people like A)

Do you know how long it would take for a virus to mutate into another form? It takes years. And that's just if it's in the right conditions. The reason why there are so many strains of colds and flu is because they have lived in society without being particually feared, unless it's an influenza, which is a more contagious and "deadly" form of your normal flu strain.

And besides, vaccines are just weakened strains of the disease. People can have bad reactions to certain diseases, and if that happens, you usually end up in more trouble.

Besides, it isn't possible to get everyone to, people will always escape it. And also, it wouldn't get rid of disease, there are new ones every day. Or new strains.

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Yata Grand Master

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Read my post.

I did, but as you can see, I don't really agree..

In my opinion, religions that are dangerous for people and those around them aught to be forbidden, and everyone should be vaccinated for the good of all.

just plain stupid to let innocent people get ill/die just because we have to 'respect' crazy religions

1. Calling a religion crazy is just ignorant. They don't see it as dumb. Like I said, religion is subjective.

2. You should respect ALL religions. Not doing so is just rude and discrimination.

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Simon Brown Grand Master

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Read my post.

I did, but as you can see, I don't really agree..

In my opinion, religions that are dangerous for people and those around them aught to be forbidden, and everyone should be vaccinated for the good of all.

just plain stupid to let innocent people get ill/die just because we have to 'respect' crazy religions

That's not how vaccines work.

Person A refuses to get the vaccine.

Person B gets the vaccine..

-Time Passes-

Person A gets the disease.

Person B is totally unaffected so there isn't an issue for Person B.

Vaccines don't work on all people and some can't get the vaccine for medical reasons - these people rely on heard immunity to avoid the disease.

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Read my post.

I did, but as you can see, I don't really agree..

In my opinion, religions that are dangerous for people and those around them aught to be forbidden, and everyone should be vaccinated for the good of all.

just plain stupid to let innocent people get ill/die just because we have to 'respect' crazy religions

1. Calling a religion crazy is just ignorant. They don't see it as dumb. Like I said, religion is subjective.

2. You should respect ALL religions. Not doing so is just rude and discrimination.

VERY Well said.

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Simon Brown Grand Master

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Well I still don't agree, apparently these religions are dangerous, I see no reason to respect them

apparently? You mean someone told you that out of their opinion? It's like people who argue in debates about freedom: "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temparary saftey deserve neither liberty nor saftey".

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david.atwell Grand Master

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Well I still don't agree, apparently these religions are dangerous, I see no reason to respect them

Then I see no reason to respect your viewpoint.

 

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Yata Grand Master

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Well I still don't agree, apparently these religions are dangerous, I see no reason to respect them

Listen. Just because you see it as dangerous and in need of medical aid dosen't mean others do. Maybe others see it as a test of faith and feel they must stay loyal to that faith. Just because you can't grasp that concept dosen't mean you can go around calling 'em crazy.

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david.atwell Grand Master

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Oh, note: I disagree with the religions. So don't even tag me with that idea. You don't have to subscribe to it, believe in it, even accept it as plausible, but the rules of this forum and of civil discourse insist that you respect it. If you don't respect it, you can leave. And don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.
Amy: But how did it end up in there?
The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.
River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him.

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harold Rising Star

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Just to be sure, I re-read the rules, and it looks like I could only have broken rule 9, and only slightly so.

Well, I'm sorry if I may have insulted anyone's religion here by refusing to respect it..

But still, I can (as: in "it's possible") call anything crazy: it's an opinion so never wrong, you are free to disagree with it though :wink:

so do you seriously want me leave just because my opinion is a bit different? (talking about disrespect?)

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david.atwell Grand Master

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No. Your opinion is fine. We want you to leave if you won't respect others. Even if we don't agree with it.

 

The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.
Amy: But how did it end up in there?
The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.
River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him.

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premise: I am not religious but i do respect people who believes, especially those religions that do not pretend to be the one and only (my God is the only one and your god s....s) and do not make strong proselitism but I would like to ask a simple question: it has nothing to do with mandetory vaccination but with blood transfusions. How do you call a father who refuses his son to have a blood transfusion cause his religious creed forbid it?

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How can you respect a father who violates his own religion and allows his son to pass into an eternal hell?

I don't believe it, but some do. This is the power behind some beliefs.

 

The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.
Amy: But how did it end up in there?
The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.
River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him.

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How can you respect a father who violates his own religion and allows his son to pass into an eternal hell?

I don't believe it, but some do. This is the power behind some beliefs.

How do you call a father who kills his son? A murderer.

So why should you call a believer the father who let his son die cause he refuses him to receive a blood transfusion? A person should be responsible for his own life not for the life of others (unless he is an executor) what about his son's point of view? cause it is his life we are talking of.

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