Debate: Mandetory Vaccination

[Simon Brown]

Welcome to one of the biggest debates in history: Mandetory Vaccination. In what circumstances should it be used. Should it be passed ever? Do vaccination benifits outweigh the risks? What about religious exemptions?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy

[ncfan51]

Mandatory Vaccination should be imposed. By not doing so, you endanger not only yourself, but the entire community. As for the religious point, I am a bit undecided.

[Simon Brown]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_controversy

[Yata]

It depends on circumstances. We should be able to retain the right to refuse such things on special grounds.

1. If we are allergic to the medication given or;

2. Have religious beliefs in place that forbid X for one reason or another.

Obviously, they offer good things for us. But such a forceful act would really hurt a lot of people physically and emotionally.

You can't force someone who's allergic to X take a vaccination with X in it. It could send them into anaflactic(spelled that wrong) shock and in turn kill them.

Imposing on religious grounds would be a very bad idea. And I doubt they would do so. In my religion, I could never go to the military because we don't beleive in harming/killing people, and the government accepts and acknowledges that.

Will it happen? I doubt it.

[Simon Brown]

Will it happen? I doubt it.

Some states of the US have that law. It's not a "Will it happen?".

[Yata]

Will it happen? I doubt it.

Some states of the US have that law. It's not a "Will it happen?".

Well, then their stupid. Thats all I have to say on the matter.

[david.atwell]

I don't know what mandetory vaccination is, but I oppose mandatory vaccination very strongly. :-)

As a matter of fact, I oppose many government-mandated things.

[DarkShock]

Shouldn't you just make a thread for serious debate discussions where you post previous poll results?

[Simon Brown]

I don't know what mandetory vaccination is

The government forcing people to be vaccinated (sometimes just to enter state schools).

[ncfan51]

David was making a joke on how "mandatory" is misspelled in the title of this thread.

[Simon Brown]

Shouldn't you just make a thread for serious debate discussions where you post previous poll results?

The debates would be all over the place and not easy to follow.

[Simon Brown]

To those who say medical and religious but not philosophical - why not philosophical.

What about vegetarians? What about enviromentalists? What about natural health advocates? And what about members of religions not defined by the state?

[Ace Jon]

I agree with sabrown100, but I voted the religious & medical one. Medical because people might be adversely affected by an inoculation, and religious because that is a strong feeling and there would be outrage. I'm not usre why I didn't put philosophical - maybe it wouldn't get taken seriously. Like how "Jedi" was a major religion among students in a UK census not too long ago.

[Yata]

Shouldn't you just make a thread for serious debate discussions where you post previous poll results?

I prefer separate threads.

[Stephan]

Not being vaccined is... Well, plain stupid. Obviously, when people are allergic to certain components in said vaccin, there should be worked around, but otherwise i find that under all circumstances one should be vaccined, even when religion forbids it. If your "god" thinks you can't have a cure for a disease, then go to a country where it isn't enforced (yet).

[ncfan51]

Like I said, you are endangering yourself and those around you when you refuse to be vaccinated. The reason I am undecided on religion is:

On one hand, if that is their religious belief, I think that it would be unhumane to force them to go against their faith.

But, on the other hand, in the 1970s, when the World Health Organisation was working to eradicate smallpox, several Indian soldiers, then fighting a war in Bangladesh, refused. The reason for this is that they thought eliminating something caused by nature was against their beliefs. However, considering that they were fighting a war in close quarters, due to their unwillingness to be vaccinated, many other people caught the disease.

So, vaccination based on religious beliefs is a really sticky topic.

[Simon Brown]

The reason for this is that they thought eliminating something caused by nature was against their beliefs.

Soldiers do eliminate things caused by nature - it's in their job title. Last time I looked they were called people.

[ncfan51]

Ha That's a good one!

[Sozo]

If a religion prevents you from getting vaccinated from contagious diseases, then there's something wrong with it. Natural health is great and all that, but some things herbs and eating healthy won't prevent, and it's our responsibility to make sure other people don't suffer because of us. Misery may love company, but let's keep it lonely.

[Andrew D]

It's basically conscription in World War I and II, the old men make the decisions, and the young men die :?

Personally, I agree with vacinations, but no-way should it be made manadtory. If people are ever to live in society right, they need to live it with their own choice. Not the choice of a person who spends their day on a stupid black leather chair at the top of a 30-storey building.

[Yata]

All of you who are calling religions which may put restrictions on medication 'wrong', are wrong yourselves. Religion is subjective, and just because you use one form of logic dosen't mean another form of logic can't be used as well.

Do I think we should get medical aid when needed? Yes, I actually enjoy studying medication and health. Do I think people should call religions wrong based on only one outlook? No.

Most of those people who refuse treatment are extremists, and those aren't that common. You can't just go around telling people their religion is wrong, because in their mind, your telling them their God(s) won't save them and thus defeating the whole idea.

I'm not one of those people, though, nor will I ever be. Most medication and vaccinations can help you, but just because I feel this way dosen't mean everyone else should. If you really think it's so bad, then let them be and let them see the 'error of their ways', if you feel the need to. You're never going to completely obliterate a disease because you won't be able to vaccinate everybody for the above reasons.

[Simon Brown]

Yata, Cough*smallpox*cough

[david.atwell]

I don't know what mandetory vaccination is

The government forcing people to be vaccinated (sometimes just to enter state schools).

David was making a joke on how "mandatory" is misspelled in the title of this thread.

QFT. :-)

[Stephan]

So Yata, you say that if a person carrying a highly contagious disease, who believes his God will cure him, shouldn't be helped because it's against their religion? Sheez. And even then, you can always lie. Yes i went there. You can tell them it's god's holy water, and it will cure their diseases, because god's busy atm. See? People will be flooding the place for your vaccins, because it's friggin' holy!

[harold]

also, if your religion wants you to die, why not leave it and join one that wants you to live?

that would be better than knowingly endangering people around you (which sounds like a crime actually)

so all join the IPU or FSM religions :wink: