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I believe 'twas nixed at 7:12pm on Friday, board time. Polls are allowed in The Overflow, but "even then we may delete them if they are useless." Your poll really didn't offer anything to the thread - whether or not a random user has knowledge of HTML and CSS does not help you learn it. Replies to this topic are better as explanations, with links to resources that will help you, instead of "Yes" or "No" responses.

Thanks for making that clear to me although I would have appreciated if I was told that my poll would be taken down.

Oh well! :)

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Thanks for making that clear to me although I would have appreciated if I was told that my poll would be taken down.

Oh well! :)

Everyone is told. It is in the rules post for the forum. :P

Anyway, here is an article about good web site design. I found it interesting.

http://www.andyrutledge.com/bad-layout-conventions.php

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That article was interesting - mind you layouts are made with tables and tables are things I tend to sometimes struggle with.

As for CSS, I'm starting to get there (quite slowly) but hey, I'm doing good for an 11 year old (I think!) 8)

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mind you layouts are made with tables

Really?

Do me a favor... go to http://www.cmdsketchpad.com/ and view the source code. Find the table. ;)

Add my site to that list aswell :)

CSS allows you to do everything those intergrated web coding programs like in PS and Publisher try and stop you from doing :) Such as putting tables in :)

But yeah, tables suck. Badly.

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Layouts technically can be made in tables, but the Internet would prefer it if you didn't... :P

Tables are the easier option of the two, for certain, but CSS is more semantic, more flexible, and all around the better option. So, if you're going to learn, it may be beneficial to try to learn the better way straight from the start.

I guess I can't be too hard on you, though - I didn't start using CSS until I was 19, so you've still got a few years to go. :wink:

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Layouts technically can be made in tables, but the Internet would prefer it if you didn't... :P

Tables are the easier option of the two, for certain, but CSS is more semantic, more flexible, and all around the better option. So, if you're going to learn, it may be beneficial to try to learn the better way straight from the start.

I guess I can't be too hard on you, though - I didn't start using CSS until I was 19, so you've still got a few years to go. :wink:

8 years, and by then you'll have realised that you wasted so much time using tables :)

But if your using Dreamweaver, you may aswell use tables, it's the only thing it offers in the designer view.

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They have their uses. For instance, in displaying data. But using them to design the website in general is a BAD idea.

Tables make the internet cry.

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Alright. As an encouragement to any web designers wallowing in their tables, I offer this bit of encouragement:

http://www.freewebs.com/fearthedead/

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, bathe in the all-encompassing mélange of terrible, terrible web design practices - splash page, tabled layout, recommendation of Internet Explorer as the best-viewed-in browser, misused ASCII copyright symbol and a misused global literal ©, and, perhaps worst of all, the use of Microsoft Frontpage as the design tool. And yes, it was I who perpetrated this monster.

I hate me.

The design itself isn't too terrible. A little too contrasty for a negative-space look, sorely lacking in grid consistency (both vertically and horizontally), and sporting terribly compressed JPGs, but I don't too much mind the color scheme. But the execution is completely scattershot, and every scattered shot misses the target. Absolute sized background images with forced-dimension blocks to house content, dual-sidebar layout, inconsistent element termination (some blocks are self-terminating, some use page boundaries, none with any predictability), terribly inefficient grid space utilization, content overflows (the right-side footer text, in Firefox at least), and the list just goes on.

So yeah. Compare what I did in 2003 to what I did in 2006 (CMD Sketchpad), and you can see, practice makes better. In some cases, much, much better. So, anyone out there, take any site criticism I offer you knowing this - I don't mean any critique I give with a condescending spirit. I've been there, and in some cases, I've been worse. I'm just trying to be your guide into the light I've found. :wink:

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That is a perfectly valid use of a table. Tables are meant to be for displaying data. Although there is some debate, even in the W3C, as whether or not it is valid to use tables to control the layout.

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Are tables the best option for this scenario? Or what could be used instead?

The content you're presenting there needs to be two columns, one for the command name, one for the shortcut, and both columns must be the same height so the command and respective shortcut always exist on the same vertical line. That's what tables were made for, so the use of a table in your situation is the correct, semantic option.

Technically, you could create a complex float structure of non-table elements, but it would be both difficult and unnecessary. Also, depending upon the scheme used, it could break proper single-line display of the command and shortcut for users browsing on reduced-capability browsers.

So yeah, tables have a use, and you're using them properly. Have no fear. :wink:

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