Rants *enter at own risk*

[Mike Ryan]

You have to have some form of nomenclature, right? Anyways, Sabrown, if you have to rely on outside developers to be able to enjoy the web browser you use than there is got to be something going wrong.

[Simon Brown]

Anyways, Sabrown, if you have to rely on outside developers to be able to enjoy the web browser you use than there is got to be something going wrong.

Because I have written programs? Are you saying I should write my own web-browser, my own OS, my own drivers, ect?

[Myrddin]

Are you saying I should write my own web-browser, my own OS, my own drivers, ect?

Yes, everybody is doing it, aren't you?

*Looks at topic title

Rant:

My Graphics coursework needs to be in Friday and time is rapidly running out on me.

[Mike Ryan]

Anyways, Sabrown, if you have to rely on outside developers to be able to enjoy the web browser you use than there is got to be something going wrong.

Because I have written programs? Are you saying I should write my own web-browser, my own OS, my own drivers, ect?

the keywork there was have to. You dont have to take everything so literally, although a "Take things super literal day" would be fun. Think about, a guy tells a joke and the other guy is laughing and says "Get outta here!" humourously and the main guy literally gets outta there. thought>

[Simon Brown]

Anyways, Sabrown, if you have to rely on outside developers to be able to enjoy the web browser you use than there is got to be something going wrong.

Because I have written programs? Are you saying I should write my own web-browser, my own OS, my own drivers, ect?

the keywork there was have to. You dont have to take everything so literally, although a "Take things super literal day" would be fun. Think about, a guy tells a joke and the other guy is laughing and says "Get outta here!" humourously and the main guy literally gets outta there. thought>

I still don't get the point you are trying to make.

[Mike Ryan]

I enjoy using Opera without extensions, you dont want to even try it because you cant live without your extensions. I hate that about somebody when they simply cant enjoy the basics.*

*I am not dishing on you, it is just a personal pet peeve so dont take it personal

[Myrddin]

...although a "Take things super literal day" would be fun...

Anti-pragmatic day?

Pro-denotation day?

I'm up for that.

[Simon Brown]

I enjoy using Opera without extensions, you dont want to even try it because you cant live without your extensions. I hate that about somebody when they simply cant enjoy the basics.*

*I am not dishing on you, it is just a personal pet peeve so dont take it personal

The basics? In this case you mean having a whole load of useful features taken away from you?

[usedHONDA]

...My opinion is if it isn't broke don't fix it...

You have no idea how broken IE6 is. If everybody in the world upgraded to Firefox, then web designing would be so much easier! Just ask someone like Helio, Crazy Man Dan, or anyone else that has coded a web page by hand (such as I), and they'll rant on about how most of the time, you're coding for the sake of making things look right in Internet Explorer. IE doesn't even use nearly the correct web standards! It took me about 30 minutes to code this, 3 hours to make it more valid according to W3C standards [which have been around since 1994, before the first version of Internet Explorer was released], another 3 hours to try to make it look right in IE, and another hour to figure out that Firefox was the only browser that rendered it correctly. I plan on recoding the page, but I'm not going to even attempt to make it IE compatible.

And personally I couldn't survive without tabbed browsing.

I hate tabbed browsing. I find it easier to stay organized with a seperate window for each page.

Tabs is much easier! All you do is click on a button already in your window! And you don't even have to click; just press Ctrl+Tab and you move to the next tab. And it's not like you're confined to one window. You can set FF up to load new pages in new windows (though that'll severely reduce productivity)!

And if you think IE is fast, then you are sadly mistaken. I used to think the same thing for a long time, but once IE started freezing on me after about 10 hours of use, the thought came to me--"I wonder if this happens to every program?" And 30 minutes later, I found Firefox. I installed it, and was baffled by the 5 second boot time and the strangely seamless browsing speed (with slightly reduced page loading times) and no annoying Click-to-Activate "ActiveX Control" bar (ironically named, yes). Not only that, but you can edit the position of your buttons by simply right-clicking and pressing "Customize...", giving you complete sovereignty over your space (including the ability to create, mix, and match toolbars). Oh, and the logo's cool, too.

[david.atwell]

IE6 is woefully insecure. If you're still using it, you have bugs you don't even know about. Viruses, trojans...your credit card number could be in hundreds of hard drives by now. Please download Firefox. You don't even need to use tabs. You can download a skin that makes it look like IE6.

[Kreeos]

...My opinion is if it isn't broke don't fix it...

You have no idea how broken IE6 is. If everybody in the world upgraded to Firefox, then web designing would be so much easier! Just ask someone like Helio, Crazy Man Dan, or anyone else that has coded a web page by hand (such as I), and they'll rant on about how most of the time, you're coding for the sake of making things look right in Internet Explorer. IE doesn't even use nearly the correct web standards! It took me about 30 minutes to code this, 3 hours to make it more valid according to W3C standards [which have been around since 1994, before the first version of Internet Explorer was released], another 3 hours to try to make it look right in IE, and another hour to figure out that Firefox was the only browser that rendered it correctly. I plan on recoding the page, but I'm not going to even attempt to make it IE compatible.

And personally I couldn't survive without tabbed browsing.

I hate tabbed browsing. I find it easier to stay organized with a seperate window for each page.

Tabs is much easier! All you do is click on a button already in your window! And you don't even have to click; just press Ctrl+Tab and you move to the next tab. And it's not like you're confined to one window. You can set FF up to load new pages in new windows (though that'll severely reduce productivity)!

And if you think IE is fast, then you are sadly mistaken. I used to think the same thing for a long time, but once IE started freezing on me after about 10 hours of use, the thought came to me--"I wonder if this happens to every program?" And 30 minutes later, I found Firefox. I installed it, and was baffled by the 5 second boot time and the strangely seamless browsing speed (with slightly reduced page loading times) and no annoying Click-to-Activate "ActiveX Control" bar (ironically named, yes). Not only that, but you can edit the position of your buttons by simply right-clicking and pressing "Customize...", giving you complete sovereignty over your space (including the ability to create, mix, and match toolbars). Oh, and the logo's cool, too.

The problem with tabs is if you accidently close the window instead of having to track down one page again you have to track down 4 or 5.

@david.atwell

No offence but I'm not going to take that it's as unsecure as you say it is on faith. Proof or I'm definetally not believing you on that.

[Myrddin]

The problem with tabs is if you accidently close the window instead of having to track down one page again you have to track down 4 or 5.

You can set Firefox to keep tabs in between sessions, so no loss there. If there's a crash, no problem as the session manager will restore everything back as it was, including history.

Accidentally closed a tab? Also no problem as you can restore previously closed tabs with the tap of Ctrl + Shift + T.

And, as david commented, you can have an IE6 theme. Win-win, methinks.

[Kreeos]

The problem with tabs is if you accidently close the window instead of having to track down one page again you have to track down 4 or 5.

You can set Firefox to keep tabs in between sessions, so no loss there. If there's a crash, no problem as the session manager will restore everything back as it was, including history.

Accidentally closed a tab? Also no problem as you can restore previously closed tabs with the tap of Ctrl + Shift + T.

And, as david commented, you can have an IE6 theme. Win-win, methinks.

Hmmm. You make some convincing arguements. I just don't know though... I've talked to people who have had really bad experiences with Firefox.

[david.atwell]

No offence but I'm not going to take that it's as unsecure as you say it is on faith. Proof or I'm definetally not believing you on that.

According to Secunia, an antivirus company, Internet Explorer 6 contains 124 security advisories, 21 of which remain unpatched. Over half of these are "Moderately" to "Extremely" critical; over 90% of them are vulnerabilities from a remote computer.

As for tabs, Firefox warns you if you try to close the window with more than one tab open. I've used Firefox for about four years and have never looked back.

And, as has been mentioned, it makes the lives of those of us who code web pages much harder when you use a legacy browser.

Hmmm. You make some convincing arguements. I just don't know though... I've talked to people who have had really bad experiences with Firefox.

Bad experiences? I've heard of no one who has had a bad experience with Mozilla.

[Kreeos]

No offence but I'm not going to take that it's as unsecure as you say it is on faith. Proof or I'm definetally not believing you on that.

According to Secunia, an antivirus company, Internet Explorer 6 contains 124 security advisories, 21 of which remain unpatched. Over half of these are "Moderately" to "Extremely" critical; over 90% of them are vulnerabilities from a remote computer.

As for tabs, Firefox warns you if you try to close the window with more than one tab open. I've used Firefox for about four years and have never looked back.

And, as has been mentioned, it makes the lives of those of us who code web pages much harder when you use a legacy browser.

Hmmm. You make some convincing arguements. I just don't know though... I've talked to people who have had really bad experiences with Firefox.

Bad experiences? I've heard of no one who has had a bad experience with Mozilla.

I code webpages too. I optimize my site for IE6 and it looks the same on their as it does for my friend with Firefox.

Some of my friends that tried it in the past had huge issues with it with it constantly crashing one of my friend's computer whenever he tried to open it.

[david.atwell]

In four years, I've had Firefox die on me once. Another time I thought it had, but it was Windows. :-)

Any reply to the rest of my post?

[Kreeos]

In four years, I've had Firefox die on me once. Another time I thought it had, but it was Windows. :-)

Any reply to the rest of my post?

The site said the most severe unpatched issue was moderatelly critical. Moderate doesn't sound too bad to me.

[Mike Ryan]

In four years, I've had Firefox die on me once. Another time I thought it had, but it was Windows. :-)

Any reply to the rest of my post?

The site said the most severe unpatched issue was moderatelly critical. Moderate doesn't sound too bad to me.

Okay, that is like saying that getting stabbed in the leg isnt to bad. It may not be a gunshot to the forehead, but it will hurt and it will leave its mark. So, instead of getting stabbed in the leg why not try to stay healthy?

[BoltBait]

Rant: I'm not getting enough sleep.

I'm falling asleep at my desk at work. I need something to wake me up...

[david.atwell]

Moderate still means people can see anything on your machine. It just means they can't change anything. Your life is an open book; it's tantamount to leaving your doors unlocked at night.

[Kreeos]

Moderate still means people can see anything on your machine. It just means they can't change anything. Your life is an open book; it's tantamount to leaving your doors unlocked at night.

And I've never had any problems with it. I've never had compromized security. No one has ever gotten my credit card numbers nor so much as a phone number.

@Mike.Ryan52

You can't compare software issues with physical injuries.

[usedHONDA]

Bad experiences? I've heard of no one who has had a bad experience with Mozilla.

To tell you the truth, I have had one bad experience with Firefox, and several small issues. The bad experience was because a power surge happened and the power went out without notice (so it was really caused by unpreventable RAM failure), and the small issues were caused by the Adoble Flash Player and me abusing my processor and memory, actively using about 10 programs at once (yes, one of them was Paint.NET). Otherwise, I've never had a problem over my 3+ years of Firefoxing

[Panhead]

In four years, I've had Firefox die on me once. Another time I thought it had, but it was Windows. :-)

Any reply to the rest of my post?

i have had it crash many times...but most of the time im over doing my machine, so it isnt its fault...another time it was a website, and even if it crashes, boot it back up and you can still have everything you had open

[david.atwell]

And I've never had any problems with it. I've never had compromized security. No one has ever gotten my credit card numbers nor so much as a phone number.

That you know of. But whatever, use the crippled software if that's what you want. Don't say we didn't warn you.

[Kreeos]

And I've never had any problems with it. I've never had compromized security. No one has ever gotten my credit card numbers nor so much as a phone number.

That you know of. But whatever, use the crippled software if that's what you want. Don't say we didn't warn you.

Generally you know when somebody has your credit card number. Put yourself in their shoes. If you're a criminal and have someone's credit card number you're not just gonna go "Oh, that's interesting." Chances are you'd start making charges on it. Thus far I've never had any fraudulant charges on my card.