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when you've got kids it's a totally different ball game

Very true indeed! I would go above and beyond to protect my own children.

But then I believe in an "eye for an eye" as quoted in the holy bible. (my opinion)

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A slightly off topic rant that spawned in my head from the above discussion:

Quite honestly, if you take a look at some statistics, a large percentage of people in jail (in the US) for a felony have been there more than once, often for the same crime. Why bother defending their rights when they aren't even willing to respect the rights of those defending them (voting citizens)? They go out, violate someone's rights whether that person supports their rights or not, and they are quite likely to do it again. I'm sure there's the occasional person who feels sorry after the second offense, but really now...how can anyone trust someone like that when he/she couldn't learn a lesson the first time.

Also, why do we hold people in jail for life? If you're going to isolate a person from society until they are dead, is that not the same as killing them with old age? That is the longest possible way to kill someone slowly if you ask me. I can think of a few people who are less cared for than murderers who have been sentenced to sit in jail till they die. Seriously...there are better ways--better people to spend tax dollars on.

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A slightly off topic rant that spawned in my head from the above discussion:

Quite honestly, if you take a look at some statistics, a large percentage of people in jail (in the US) for a felony have been there more than once, often for the same crime. Why bother defending their rights when they aren't even willing to respect the rights of those defending them (voting citizens)? They go out, violate someone's rights whether that person supports their rights or not, and they are quite likely to do it again. I'm sure there's the occasional person who feels sorry after the second offense, but really now...how can anyone trust someone like that when he/she couldn't learn a lesson the first time.

Also, why do we hold people in jail for life? If you're going to isolate a person from society until they are dead, is that not the same as killing them with old age? That is the longest possible way to kill someone slowly if you ask me. I can think of a few people who are less cared for than murderers who have been sentenced to sit in jail till they die. Seriously...there are better ways--better people to spend tax dollars on.

What a post. Rep'd. I totally agree with everything you said 'noob. A wise head on young shoulders

... could be a good way for the UK to save a few quid. We followed you into Iraq because the governments thought it was the right thing (wiv a few little lies to the public ... allegedly) Quick capital punishment would make our national deficit look a lot healthier. One thing I've always envied in a country is the tough US laws.

The police in the UK let joyriders in cars get away if they drive dangerously enough - some of your police forces knock people off motorcycles. Wearing a helmet or not.

If that's what it takes to stop them. They know the risks involved if they don't stop when asked ...

Do the crime. Do the time. Or extra punishment for ever. Sounds fair to me

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I have worked in a jail. If other inmates even suspect there is a rock-spider in their midst, they are very unforgiving to say the least & yes it is a slow & painful way to die. Inmates know: Do the crime-man up & do the time. However, some of these people are incapable of showing remorse & therefore cannot be rehabilitated. They lack the software & hardware to show remorse or have any kind of conscience that normally guides people to do the right thing. That- is what most bleeding hearts cannot understand - these people will re-offend. That is not to say there are not one-offs where folk are remorseful & are rehabilitated.

Having kids of your own changes the ball game, yes, Welshy & NN but other factors too make some of us even more adamant that not one more child should be harmed. When you harm a child you abdicate your rights as a human. Do you see animals using their young as objects of perverse pleasure?

Now I am going to go to work with a room full of damaged kids who are having kids of their own to see if I can at least teach them to read & write so the outcomes for the coming generation will not be the same as it was for the parents. At least one has changed their life for the better. Only a drop in the ocean.

Please let April be found unharmed & make it soon! Welshy-hugs to you buddy!

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Keep debating on whether or not to post this, and if so which thread - but I guess I will.

I keep on thinking about how much I'd still rather live in Florida. I miss the beach, the people, and most everything. I'd like to live there when I'm older, but it would be so much livelier - because of people at school, and just growing up - if I had stayed there. Here, I live quietly in my house, doing my homework and making art. There, I lived quietly in my house, did my homework, took the five-minute drive to the beach, ate at the club, came home, and made art. I also helped out more at my church and things. I wish, in a way, I could have another life and live there for the entirety of it. Or at least go to a public school, here, so that I could meet more people and have a larger circle than my current of three friends I actually hang out with. But still, I wish I could have stayed in Florida - going to the beach with friends, the wealthier area, the more aesthetically pleasing foliage, the people I was becoming friends with - it seems as if the year I left was the one in which I was beginning to make the most friends. Anyways, I'll probably definitely be happier in the morning, but this is what is on my mind at the moment.

Already feeling okay. Going to go to sleep, like a normal person, now.

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Actually, I don't want children... And as it would appear right now, I can't have children.

Applying your logic: Obese people fatten their kids and they have risks of difficult diseases, the treatment of which would suck tax-payers' money. Lean people are better people because they have eaten in moderation, the obese eat more than necessary. The truth is (especially in the US) fat and morbidly obese people stay fat for the rest of their lives; of course, there are some who lose the excess weight, but most don't. I don't want to pay for some fatso's gastric bypass knowing they'll just treat their children sugar-ladden juice and Happy Meals again. A fat life is not a life worth living so why not just kill the plumps? There are better ways to spend tax money -- better people.

Killing a killer is just as wrong as killing someone else. If you believe it's okay to kill in some situations then my mind boggles.

I'm really struggling to get my point across now so I'll stop now, if anyone is interested in debating then PM. I respect your views although I strongly disagree.

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I wasn't going to get involved anymore but you've made that comment publicly ... and I've got to say it is one of the most ludicrous comparisons I've ever read.

No matter how liberal anyone is they cannot honestly think that a mis-guided parent is the same as someone who snatches a child (or woman/ man) uses them for their twisted sexual gratification and then kills them ?

Wow dude I'm stunned. Let's hope you never have a family member taken in that way ... you'd most probably send the fiend Christmas cards of forgiveness, while they have their 3 square meals a day and their little luxuries to make their time/ life easier

Unbelievable. I wonder if you'd have the bottle to utter that in front of the families of victims ?

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Right now, my fondest wish is for Paul & Coral Jones to have their little girl back unharmed pronto & I am not interested in a debate that I have long ago (since I am old) made my mind up on.

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I'd send "Happy Holidays" cards; the murderer might not celebrate Christmas. (joke)

I'm forgiving to a point it's not logical or perhaps even sane by some standards. I help to the point it's altruistic. I can't help it. When I feel, I feel extremes. If I get angry at someone for something they did, it's not long before I get angry at everything, then myself and ultimately I just feel horrible about everything and don't want to live so I forgive. What good is anger anyway..

I made the comparison to illustrate a point, obviously the two aren't directly comparable. But obesity is caused by a lot of factors, like criminal behaviour and paraphilia... It's only a matter of where you draw the line, and depending on who's drawing it (and when) the same argument could be applied very differently, which is why I believe that particular line shouldn't be drawn (the "line" being "when is it okay to kill another person"). I definitely think that sex offense, murder and pedophilia are horribly bad, wrong things. The only thing I disagree with is capital punishment and all sort of violence.

And Welshblue, I avoid exercising my freedom of speech where it's likely to cause nothing but harm. EDIT: This is the internet, so I thought I'd say what I had in mind about capital punishment and risk offending, though maybe I should have thought twice more before writing a response. Lots of emotions going around and my opinions probably aren't cooling anyone's head. Except mine; I'm always as frigid as an icicle...

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Applying your logic: Obese people f...<shortened quote...ys to spend tax money -- better people.
the "line" being "when is it okay to kill another person"
As of now, the death penalty in the US is reserved for homicide cases. In other words, it is (legally) ok to punish someone with death when that person violates the rights to live of other humans. That said, your analogy is rather irrelevant, though you may not have known because you hadn't considered my nationality. Also, you took my final statement way out of context... (phrases used out of context is one of my pet peeves)

Anyhow, I hope the kid is ok! Keep us updated!

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Over 48 hours and April is still missing.

Makes it worse knowing she has cerebral palsy.

Out of all the sadness around one thing is evident - community spirit and the people who have traveled to help. Some hundreds of miles

It really is a shite world

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Through the wonders of the internet, I have been able to keep informed & I check hourly in the hope that April has been found alive & unharmed. As a parent, a mother, I can only imagine what Coral & Paul Jones are feeling at this moment & her brother too.

My husband & I encourage the little Indian boy next door to tell his mother that he is coming over to us to play. I really wish she would walk him over to us. I know it is like 15 feet away but I'd rather she took that 30 seconds. I always take him back & make sure that his mother sees that he is back. Sure, I am paranoid but I have a good reason. We have a safe neighbourhood - until the unthinkable happens.

Yep, Welshy it is a shite world. I'm going to take a leaf out of your book too.

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Yep, Welshy it is a shite world.

I'd meant to add ... but luckily the good people outweigh the bad - for now

Still no news. Hundreds of searchers but such a lot of ground to cover. I was out with my work colleagues this afternoon and evening searching forestry land and you feel guilty for stopping when you start losing the light ... plus you want to find something ... but on the same hand - you don't.

Sod international law ... give him a shot of Sodium thiopental. He'll either exonerate himself or give her up. Torture is what the family is going through not giving a suspect a small dose of something.

It makes me lafff in the UK ... all the objectors to a compulsory DNA database and ID cards. If you've nothing to hide then why care ? Oh yeh. Human Rights again

But I'm rambling.

Yep, safe neighbourhoods sometimes prove to have a dark underbelly. April is proof of that. I used to play out late. So did my kids but then one thing snatches away all the trust and it's too late

Damn I need a beer ...

BTW ... nice touch with the celtic 'A'

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The Celtic A - yeah, it has meaning for me since I am a Tregilles.

I'd buy you a beer & maybe even have one myself as we discuss our agreeance in matters at hand.

Pink ribbons buddy & keep the hope bright.

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Pink ribbons buddy & keep the hope bright.

Hope has diminished

The police are now investigating the murder of lil' April. A 5 year olds life snuffed out as if she were nothing, By some nonce

For a small town the community heart has been massive but that's now been ripped apart. I thank those here who gave best wishes for her safe return

Worryingly it's been found out there are 14 registered sex offenders living amongst us. It's not right. People should be told

I'll take you up on those beers now BarbieQ' ... you're a :star: I'm totally gutted. I don't think I can cry anymore.

My thoughts are with her family at this heart-breaking time. No parent should have to endure this torment

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Oh my gosh, Welsh. That's so sad. I can't even imagine the pain the family's going through right now...:(

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Welshy, we'd all be shocked to know who is living among us. We teach our kids stranger danger - what if it isn't a stranger like in this case?

It would have been better to give him that needle days ago...stuff it! Let's go get that beer & I don't care if it's 8:00am in the morning!

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While I agree with the general sentiments in this thread, let us not forget that the 'gentleman' being questioned is innocent until proven.

Consider if the alleged offender had a vehicle similar to yours and you were hauled in for questioning...

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Something happened, or rather, didn't happen. I'd like to say we broke up, but I think there was never a 'we' to begin with. I'm not sure if I'm sad or not.

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He has been formally charged with murder & for the second time his house is being searched. The villagers are distraught & the parents & sister just devastated. The trust of a village has been destroyed & I can only imagine how this will affect everyone.

Yesterday, my husband & I entertained the little Indian boy from next door again. We always take him back to his mother. Yes, I know it is only next door but I wish his Mum would bring him over & not just let him walk. It might be only 15 feet or so but I am a little bit paranoid. I wonder too how safe she thinks her boys are? The 10 month old baby used to watch his older brother from the window playing in the dog's sandpit with them, so I went & got him too. I know we are trustworthy but I am not sure that I could place that much trust in someone else esp. in the light of the April Jones heartbreak.

Later that evening, we shared a traditional Indian meal that was just superb. She is a year younger than my son & doing her masters in engineering. We exchanged recipes & tips on cooking. I watched their 2 beautiful boys & wished that no harm ever come to them. Hearing a 4 year old with an Indian accent is just too cute!

This morning we are off to visit a Bangladeshi family for breakfast & to fix some tap washers & they have a little girl about 10 months old. They used to be our neighbours. Says a lot for the "Australian" community when the friendliest folk are Muslims.

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The case of April Jones was in the Finnish tabloids, too... I heard they were already holding a [religious ceremony] --I'm sorry, I don't know what it's called. I think it's really odd, considering there is no certainty yet. I hope she is found, alive.

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While I agree with the general sentiments in this thread, let us not forget that the 'gentleman' being questioned is innocent until proven.

Consider if the alleged offender had a vehicle similar to yours and you were hauled in for questioning...

I'd rather think he wasn't guilty because then I wouldn't feel such a fool for all the beers I bought him.

I'd never have a Land Rover Discovery ... and would never have a L/H Drive.

But sadly the evidence in the public domain from eye-witnesses I know, plus the evidence the police have that they're not telling us about all points to him.

A jury of his peers will now decide if he's guilty or not based on the evidence provided by the Crown

@ BarbieQ' ... it's tragic that we have to put kids behind barbed wire. They should be free to play but sadly the small minority of scum (some of whom are released from prison after only months in the UK) make it an ever present worry. It really shouldn't have to be like that, surely?

@ Kemaru ... it was a special service for her school friends. Not a funeral service but a way of the community showing their respect to April and her parents.

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One thing I must say is the support she received. Donations from Australia, America, South Africa, New Zealand, Other UK countries all kindly given. Soldiers in Afghanistan sending messages of support ... I'm not a lover of the police at times but can only be positive about their commitment and work. Along with all the mountain rescue teams, LifeBoat Crews and all the hundreds of volunteers who took days off work to help find her

... it's almost hard to stay bitter because of all the good there is in the vast majority. But not quite.

And the person arrested for the malicious comments on April's Facebook page ... you are going to have so much fun when you're given a couple of months in prison. The other cons' are going to absolutely love you when they find out what you're in for ...

I think that's my bit on this now. It does your head in after a while. I hate to imagine what the family are going thriugh

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Nope we should not have to take away kids' freedoms to protect them.

My views are expressed as a survivor & other related experiences having worked in a jail. Our beliefs & experiences influences how we view the world.

Yeah, Welshy, age 20 think he knows sumthi'. He'll get a deserved education with her majesty's big house.

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Nope we should not have to take away kids' freedoms to protect them.

"Those willing to give up liberty for security deserve neither and will lose both."

This half makes me want to put up cameras on the streets for my little sisters.

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