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Totally, totally off the subject here but those who 'believe' say a prayer and those who don't have some serious positive thoughts for a little 5 year old girl who was snatched around the time I was moaning about the rain. About 500 yards from where I live.

I'm off out to drive around the back roads to look for a 'little grey van'

A bullet really is too good and quick for some people ...

In my prayers. And, as of tomorrow, my school's. Where? What was her name?

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Totally, totally off the subject here but those who 'believe' say a prayer and those who don't have some serious positive thoughts for a little 5 year old girl who was snatched around the time I was moaning about the rain. About 500 yards from where I live.

I'm off out to drive around the back roads to look for a 'little grey van'

A bullet really is too good and quick for some people ...

Those that do pray - do it for this little girl. I hope they find her safe Welshy. I agree with your bullet point 100%

My teacher. I explained it to her in class, in a more polite tone, and she said the same thing she did here:

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Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm fairly sure I am right. I'll take it up with my grandfather - who had an English major - later on.

Also, my Integrated Business Applications class had me make a logo in Microsoft Word. I just found that funny - not legitimately upset, just think it is kind of funny.

My sympathies to Mrs Holford.

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My sympathies to Mrs Holford.

I can't tell if that was meant to be sarcastic or serious, but uh... Yeah, I'll be harping on her about it all year. And so will several others. I was liking her at the beginning of the year, but she seems to obsess over trying to be that kind of teacher that would be in a movie - the kind that does trick questions and really "teaches" the students, so the students come to love the teacher - and she does an awful job at it. She also, to my disappointment, fails to put us in line. There are two teachers that I think deserve some sort of reward, and those are my biology teacher and my Latin teacher. They are awesome at what they do - my biology teacher especially. I guess I should be more mature about things, but... Actually, I have a lack of an argument there. Anyways, though, after her failure to notice her misspelling of "enforcement" and "points" (spelled "eforcement" and "poisnt") after telling us to pay lots of attention to detail - she left those on the board for half the period and didn't notice her mistake - and making us do a project on a site students are told not to use at home because of the viruses, I have decided that I will still do the work for her class diligently, but I will do my best to correct each and every mistake she makes. I've caused quite a bit of laughter, and I've been given quite a few kudos by the older students. But yeah, maturity... I had it for a while, but I seem to lack it now. Did I mention the fact that I corrected her quite politely in class, first, but she just gave the same statement again and again? I need to do my current event for her class, now, though, and then my Biology project, then my Latin project, then my English essays, and all of that...

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My rant: I hate electronic signature pads! I'll bet there are at least 1000 variations of my signature in electronic form, and not one matches how I sign a paper document! Besides the number of variations, the pads themselves are too small too!

I think I'm going to start using Elian Script for my signature. Just my initials, in a basic form of it.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk...-wales-19795761

Apparently the van was found abandoned in a town 18 miles away.

There is some seriously disturbed people out there. If you had a rabid dog you'd put it down.

If someone is convicted of just one small sex crime against kids there should be no second chances ... just a rope ... because they won't rehabilitate, it's not in their chemistry to.

How I wish I'd inflicted even more damage on some when I had the chance in her majesty's hotels. There's so many it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Nonce scum and these bleeding hearts who defend their 'human rights' deserve the same treatment IMO

We may have been on the opposite sides of the wire Welshy but we are on the same fence. Bleeding hearts need to get a life, get out in the real world coz with their rosie glasses they don't do anyone any favours esp. the people they are advocating for. Some people insist on their rights so much that they obliterate the rights of others. For a variety of reasons I agree with what you say. You & the community are to be commended in doing something positive. What a horrible time for her parents & the community.

Still hoping that she will be found safe & well. Please keep us posted as you have been.

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"Some people insist on their rights so much that they obliterate the rights of others."

Who are insisting on what rights, whose rights are they obliterating and what rights? Are you not also, in fact, insisting on defending the act of obliterating another person's right to live because they committed a crime?

Do you believe that these people don't deserve human rights? On what basis?

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What the offender did was absolutely terrible and definitely wrong, and I don't want to and didn't intend to make it seem less awful an incident. Had I been there, I would certainly have kept my thoughts to myself and I apologise if I offended in anyway. That case in point is absurd, that decision should not have been made... Actions have consequences; if somebody has that kind of paraphilia and they can't suppress it then obviously they should not be let near children.

But, I still disagree with death or violence as methods of punishment, and I don't believe you can stop being human.

Edit: I hope that girl gets found. On a lighter note, my rant: I'm not getting any good ideas for an important school work.

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A slightly off topic rant that spawned in my head from the above discussion:

Quite honestly, if you take a look at some statistics, a large percentage of people in jail (in the US) for a felony have been there more than once, often for the same crime. Why bother defending their rights when they aren't even willing to respect the rights of those defending them (voting citizens)? They go out, violate someone's rights whether that person supports their rights or not, and they are quite likely to do it again. I'm sure there's the occasional person who feels sorry after the second offense, but really now...how can anyone trust someone like that when he/she couldn't learn a lesson the first time.

Also, why do we hold people in jail for life? If you're going to isolate a person from society until they are dead, is that not the same as killing them with old age? That is the longest possible way to kill someone slowly if you ask me. I can think of a few people who are less cared for than murderers who have been sentenced to sit in jail till they die. Seriously...there are better ways--better people to spend tax dollars on.

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I have worked in a jail. If other inmates even suspect there is a rock-spider in their midst, they are very unforgiving to say the least & yes it is a slow & painful way to die. Inmates know: Do the crime-man up & do the time. However, some of these people are incapable of showing remorse & therefore cannot be rehabilitated. They lack the software & hardware to show remorse or have any kind of conscience that normally guides people to do the right thing. That- is what most bleeding hearts cannot understand - these people will re-offend. That is not to say there are not one-offs where folk are remorseful & are rehabilitated.

Having kids of your own changes the ball game, yes, Welshy & NN but other factors too make some of us even more adamant that not one more child should be harmed. When you harm a child you abdicate your rights as a human. Do you see animals using their young as objects of perverse pleasure?

Now I am going to go to work with a room full of damaged kids who are having kids of their own to see if I can at least teach them to read & write so the outcomes for the coming generation will not be the same as it was for the parents. At least one has changed their life for the better. Only a drop in the ocean.

Please let April be found unharmed & make it soon! Welshy-hugs to you buddy!

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Keep debating on whether or not to post this, and if so which thread - but I guess I will.

I keep on thinking about how much I'd still rather live in Florida. I miss the beach, the people, and most everything. I'd like to live there when I'm older, but it would be so much livelier - because of people at school, and just growing up - if I had stayed there. Here, I live quietly in my house, doing my homework and making art. There, I lived quietly in my house, did my homework, took the five-minute drive to the beach, ate at the club, came home, and made art. I also helped out more at my church and things. I wish, in a way, I could have another life and live there for the entirety of it. Or at least go to a public school, here, so that I could meet more people and have a larger circle than my current of three friends I actually hang out with. But still, I wish I could have stayed in Florida - going to the beach with friends, the wealthier area, the more aesthetically pleasing foliage, the people I was becoming friends with - it seems as if the year I left was the one in which I was beginning to make the most friends. Anyways, I'll probably definitely be happier in the morning, but this is what is on my mind at the moment.

Already feeling okay. Going to go to sleep, like a normal person, now.

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Actually, I don't want children... And as it would appear right now, I can't have children.

Applying your logic: Obese people fatten their kids and they have risks of difficult diseases, the treatment of which would suck tax-payers' money. Lean people are better people because they have eaten in moderation, the obese eat more than necessary. The truth is (especially in the US) fat and morbidly obese people stay fat for the rest of their lives; of course, there are some who lose the excess weight, but most don't. I don't want to pay for some fatso's gastric bypass knowing they'll just treat their children sugar-ladden juice and Happy Meals again. A fat life is not a life worth living so why not just kill the plumps? There are better ways to spend tax money -- better people.

Killing a killer is just as wrong as killing someone else. If you believe it's okay to kill in some situations then my mind boggles.

I'm really struggling to get my point across now so I'll stop now, if anyone is interested in debating then PM. I respect your views although I strongly disagree.

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Right now, my fondest wish is for Paul & Coral Jones to have their little girl back unharmed pronto & I am not interested in a debate that I have long ago (since I am old) made my mind up on.

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I'd send "Happy Holidays" cards; the murderer might not celebrate Christmas. (joke)

I'm forgiving to a point it's not logical or perhaps even sane by some standards. I help to the point it's altruistic. I can't help it. When I feel, I feel extremes. If I get angry at someone for something they did, it's not long before I get angry at everything, then myself and ultimately I just feel horrible about everything and don't want to live so I forgive. What good is anger anyway..

I made the comparison to illustrate a point, obviously the two aren't directly comparable. But obesity is caused by a lot of factors, like criminal behaviour and paraphilia... It's only a matter of where you draw the line, and depending on who's drawing it (and when) the same argument could be applied very differently, which is why I believe that particular line shouldn't be drawn (the "line" being "when is it okay to kill another person"). I definitely think that sex offense, murder and pedophilia are horribly bad, wrong things. The only thing I disagree with is capital punishment and all sort of violence.

And Welshblue, I avoid exercising my freedom of speech where it's likely to cause nothing but harm. EDIT: This is the internet, so I thought I'd say what I had in mind about capital punishment and risk offending, though maybe I should have thought twice more before writing a response. Lots of emotions going around and my opinions probably aren't cooling anyone's head. Except mine; I'm always as frigid as an icicle...

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Applying your logic: Obese people f...<shortened quote...ys to spend tax money -- better people.
the "line" being "when is it okay to kill another person"
As of now, the death penalty in the US is reserved for homicide cases. In other words, it is (legally) ok to punish someone with death when that person violates the rights to live of other humans. That said, your analogy is rather irrelevant, though you may not have known because you hadn't considered my nationality. Also, you took my final statement way out of context... (phrases used out of context is one of my pet peeves)

Anyhow, I hope the kid is ok! Keep us updated!

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Through the wonders of the internet, I have been able to keep informed & I check hourly in the hope that April has been found alive & unharmed. As a parent, a mother, I can only imagine what Coral & Paul Jones are feeling at this moment & her brother too.

My husband & I encourage the little Indian boy next door to tell his mother that he is coming over to us to play. I really wish she would walk him over to us. I know it is like 15 feet away but I'd rather she took that 30 seconds. I always take him back & make sure that his mother sees that he is back. Sure, I am paranoid but I have a good reason. We have a safe neighbourhood - until the unthinkable happens.

Yep, Welshy it is a shite world. I'm going to take a leaf out of your book too.

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Welshy, we'd all be shocked to know who is living among us. We teach our kids stranger danger - what if it isn't a stranger like in this case?

It would have been better to give him that needle days ago...stuff it! Let's go get that beer & I don't care if it's 8:00am in the morning!

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While I agree with the general sentiments in this thread, let us not forget that the 'gentleman' being questioned is innocent until proven.

Consider if the alleged offender had a vehicle similar to yours and you were hauled in for questioning...

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He has been formally charged with murder & for the second time his house is being searched. The villagers are distraught & the parents & sister just devastated. The trust of a village has been destroyed & I can only imagine how this will affect everyone.

Yesterday, my husband & I entertained the little Indian boy from next door again. We always take him back to his mother. Yes, I know it is only next door but I wish his Mum would bring him over & not just let him walk. It might be only 15 feet or so but I am a little bit paranoid. I wonder too how safe she thinks her boys are? The 10 month old baby used to watch his older brother from the window playing in the dog's sandpit with them, so I went & got him too. I know we are trustworthy but I am not sure that I could place that much trust in someone else esp. in the light of the April Jones heartbreak.

Later that evening, we shared a traditional Indian meal that was just superb. She is a year younger than my son & doing her masters in engineering. We exchanged recipes & tips on cooking. I watched their 2 beautiful boys & wished that no harm ever come to them. Hearing a 4 year old with an Indian accent is just too cute!

This morning we are off to visit a Bangladeshi family for breakfast & to fix some tap washers & they have a little girl about 10 months old. They used to be our neighbours. Says a lot for the "Australian" community when the friendliest folk are Muslims.

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The case of April Jones was in the Finnish tabloids, too... I heard they were already holding a [religious ceremony] --I'm sorry, I don't know what it's called. I think it's really odd, considering there is no certainty yet. I hope she is found, alive.

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