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A Debate for the Ages- Firefox vs Opera vs IE and more!

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This was becoming an intense battle in the thread, so I'm moving it here. Discussion so far:

I hate firefox. go opera!
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Now, I like Opera. Being a web developer, I can appreciate any browser that renders semantically created and properly coded sites properly, and Opera is certainly one of those.

However, I find the add-ons to Opera to be altogether useless; fun little widgets instead of productive tools. Now, I'm sure that's great from an end-user standpoint, because they have little need to dynamically edit the source or debug the DOM, but from my standpoint, Web Developer / FireBug are far more useful than a fun little game I can run right on my desktop.

FireFox is also a semantically responsible browser, and the add-ons for it are better and more useful to me than the add-ons for any other browser I've tried.

So, I fully respect anyone who uses Opera, but I don't respect someone who hates FireFox.

There's a plugin for Opera that allows you firebug like powers--but better!

DIE FIREFOX DIE!!! I'm going to start a PR campiagn against it...

Firefox is just too confusing, irrtitationg, and annoying. Examples:

1. Whenever you download a theme, you must restart firefox, and to use it, you must restart again Rolling Eyes

2. Firefox fonts are simply ugly! They look like size 7 bold arial....

3. In order to get the toolbar right click menu, ou must click in an exact spot Rolling Eyes

4. The tab system is simply horrible compared to Opera

all-in-all:

Wouldn't you rather watch an opera, than be mauled by an angry fox?

":ac460]@1: Erm, you only need to restart once and you can save your session with Google Browser Sync.

@2: You can change the fonts in the Options menu. I use Calibri and Segoe (as expected by everyone else Razz).

@3: That means you have a cluttered up screen.

@4: I don't see anything wrong with it and becides, there are 23434.7 extensions for them.

I don't think you get what I'm trying to say here...it's hard to explain. Maybe I should post a video on utube.

BTW, for #1, yes you do have to restart twice (one to download, one to use the theme)

@1: Erm, you only need to restart once and you can save your session with Google Browser Sync...

You can also change it so FF starts up with the exact same session it closed on in the options > main tab.

1. Whenever you download a theme, you must restart firefox, and to use it, you must restart again :roll:

2. Firefox fonts are simply ugly! They look like size 7 bold arial....

3. In order to get the toolbar right click menu, ou must click in an exact spot :roll:

4. The tab system is simply horrible compared to Opera

1. No you don't, actually. Firefox offers the restart button after installation of any add-on, because for plug-ins, you do have to restart for the effect to take place, but for visual styles, you can switch over to the Themes tab and select to use it before you restart to do it all in one fell swoop.

2. I'm not sure what you mean here. The font used for the interface is identical to Opera on my machine, as well it should be, since it's the font I told Windows to use. If you're referring to the default page font, you can change that if you don't like it.

3. Again, I don't see this effect. What was the last version of FireFox you used? Right-clicking on a toolbar brings up the toolbar context menu unless you're hovering over a button that has it's own specific context menu attached to it.

4. Double-click the tab bar for a new tab, click and drag to re-arrange the tabs, close button on each tab... They seem pretty identical to me.

I think you just hate it because it's recently been gaining popularity, much like I irrationally hated Halo until I played it... :wink:

[Then Yata and I posted, but it was the same thing cmd said about "#1"]

I got some features that "you'll find only in Opera" and 2 of which were in the tab category.

Duplicate this tab

You visit a page and you want to read it later. For the moment, you want to go back to the previous one. What do you do? Copy the address of the page, create a new tab and paste the URL in the address bar. In Opera you just click Duplicate. The new tab will also duplicate the history.

There's an FF extension for that and it is being considered and discussed to be in FF3

Tab closing

You visit site A, open a link to site B in a new tab, but the tabs A and B aren't next to each other. If you close tab B, Firefox won't revert to the tab A. You'll see site C in a tab at the left of tab B. Opera shows the previous active tab.

FF does this already.

BTW, congrats!

Whew! That must be the longest text-only post in the forum!

Shall we continue the conversation?

Post edited to have a more universal debate

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What do you mean "intense"? I was just expressing my opinion :roll: . And what part of "nevermind" is not clear enough :roll: ?

I have to go to the eye doctor from all this eye-rolling

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Oh I know. You still dislike FireFox, and that's your right. Just as long as you don't come over to my house and remove FireFox from my computer, I'm fine with that. :P

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The "Google Notes" extension only works for FF and can be saved in your Gmail account. If you want something else, you can use notepad (Google Desktop).

Cascadable windows. FF extension.

I'll have to check those stats out....

EDIT@Lionhearted: Aren't you a Paint.NET fanboy? :D

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firefox is great. I did not like opera when I tried it years ago, it had some weird issues. I am going to try the new one now since I am curious, but firefox is the best currently and I don't see a reason to change since it works great.

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firefox is great. I did not like opera when I tried it years ago, it had some weird issues. I am going to try the new one now since I am curious, but firefox is the best currently and I don't see a reason to change since it works great.

For me it's like this:

opera is great. I did not like firefox when I tried it years ago, it had some weird issues. I am going to try the new one now since I am curious, but opera is the best currently and I don't see a reason to change since it works great.

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sorry man, I tried it and I know its not fair, I only tried it for less than 10 minutes but within that time frame, I tested a site I do work on, it did something I never saw before on the site. That was reason enough for me to uninstall it. I can't get into the details of it, but lets say it took the webpage I was on and made it white. The functionality still worked, but it turned the page white which it is not supposed to.

firefox is great. I did not like opera when I tried it years ago, it had some weird issues. I am going to try the new one now since I am curious, but firefox is the best currently and I don't see a reason to change since it works great.

For me it's like this:

opera is great. I did not like firefox when I tried it years ago, it had some weird issues. I am going to try the new one now since I am curious, but opera is the best currently and I don't see a reason to change since it works great.

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I've just installed and tested Opera and can not give any opions as of yet. For some reason, I searched "Pant.NET" in the search bar and didn't load anything. I'll get back to you in a minute.

EDIT: Never mind. It loaded and uses an absurdly large default font size. Now I know why you don't like the FF size-- Opera is big and you seem to have gotten used to it!

EDIT2: I just tried to reload the page and it doesn't load again!

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Before I finish the download and install, I shall give more good points.

Firefox is completely open source and has great flexeblity and expandability. If there's something that is seen to be not up-to-par, chances are there's a plugin for it.

open source, pfoofen morce! Add ons for Opera are the solution for that! And how would'ya come back at Opera being 2.91x faster than ff?

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