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(2) Comcast blockage on box9 STILL resolving

So I'm going to assume that you, usedHONDA, are not using Comcast.

I'm actually thinking about switching to Embarq (I already have their TV service, Dish Network).

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Up to 5.0M download / 768K upload -> As low as $44.95/mo

I've often heard that French broadband is really cheap, and it seems to be the case.

My current ADSL line costs me 30€ (~40 U$) and goes up to 6Mbits due to 'technical' reasons.

But with the same plan one can reach 20 mbits if he lives in a main city.

(Was another episode of 'Bob discover America'.)

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Cool. I was just curious, but don't worry I'm not stalking you. :lol:

I leave that until I know the person better.

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But isn't the purpose of stalking to know about the person better? :P

If I don't like them why stalk them? That'd just be a waste of time.

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A continuation of an off-topic started on GD:

I don't mean to discourage the makers of the aforementioned types of tutorials. I simply feel that some of the effects some users are posting as tutorials would probably be better suited as a post in the Pictorium with the result and a brief explanation. Something like, "Here's this image I think looks nice. I started out with the Waves tut, then added..." et cetera.

There are so many "tutorials" that vary one or two steps of a previously existing tutorial that the good ones can be difficult to find. Your friendly neighborhood moderating staff tries to sticky the best of the best, but sometimes the effect you need isn't up there, and you're left to scrounge through the "bargain bin" if you will...

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I don't understand what's with the "I must do a tut on my 1st post" or "look!! I can do this with 2 clicks, lets do a tut" mind set.

Most of my tut are out of people's request, Or unless I got something really really cool :)

I agreed with CMD, a lot of good tut are getting push down. and getting hard to find....and I don't mean my tuts :lol:

So I have a link at the bottom of my sig linking to my google page and have links to all my tut, and useful plugins.

And later on I will add a list of tuts from others that i think is useful, so we can all find useful info faster :)

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Which is why I said been as I haven't any useful tut to contribute to the people I see no point in producing one for the sake of it.

I think you (as in the moderators) should clamp down a bit maybe have certain guidelines for tutorials or merge a few into one thread - for example "Simple text tutorials". And I agree with you CMD that some are more Pictorium worthy that tutorial worthy. The whole point of a tutorial is to teach someone something new, a new technique or new use for a feature but most, as you put it, only 'vary one or two steps of a previously existing tutorial', therefore isn't something new and is something that could have been accomplished with a small amount of experimenting, which most of these types are the result of.

And that is also something lacking, experimenting. Most of the GD requests are something that could have solved by randomly pressing icons and seeing what they do, and failure can only progress knowledge of the the program.

EDIT: also the Rules. When was the last time you heard of someone claiming to have read them or see a thread which is in clear violation of them? I believe they by pass them because they think it won't apply to them because they have a personal problem and not a forum problem. Most of the time I want to shout "use the search, there was the same question only but a few topics down, on the same page!".

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I really hate to disagree with some of you here about the tutorials. I am very new to Paint.NET and really have no clue as to what I am doing at this point and some of those 2-3-....6 click tutorials are very informative to me. Maybe someone should start a collection of "Beginner Tutorials" or make a Paint.NET for Dummies section in this forum. I qualify as the Dummie.

Sereously, I beleive everyone on this forum is much more experienced with PhotoEditing software, or Graphics Arts, or whatever you should call this type of program than I am. I was so excited to see a section called Tutorials here thinking that I could learn the basics of the program and its possibilites and when I looked into the tuts, I am amazed at the results of what some of you have created ....... the glass ball reflecting the sprig of grass posted by Ash (I think) as a responce to one of the tutorials ........... I can follow the steps and create the bubble or ball or buttons but I still have no idea what I am actually doing or how it works.

If there is somewhere here, or elsewhere on the net, that can help explain the basics, and I mean the lowest level basics, could you point me in that direction please.

Please don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the Amaizing Tutorials, without them I would still be looking at the program with a puzzled look on my face wondering how people create what they do and all I can create is a blob. I have learned so much but without the basics I still feel so.....o......o, um what is the word, lost, no that's not it, dumb. Yup that would be the word!

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To be quite honest zookey...I didn't know hue from saturation from contrast from bacon until I browsed through the tutorials and did close to every one! (Back in Feb when it was only about 5 pages long, though... :D) If that's how you qualify a dummie...I was one. But with experience I'm able to do some moderate stuff now...from experience. I'm still nowhere near Ash or BoltBait or CMD or jpope or (I hate listing good people, I always forget some)anyone good's level, but I'm slowly getting there.

Over 800 posts and I still haven't posted a tutorial, because I can't think of anything tut-worthy that hasn't already been done. :)

I think a few beginner tuts would be awesome...the problem comes in when beginners make tuts. They think "hey this is cool, I'll show everyone how I did it" and everyone else is groaning because they already know. Perhaps a rule like "you should have at least 50 posts on the forum before you post a tut" or something. Unfortunately, that won't work entirely (I'm thinking MKT...he's allowed).

The bottom line...dunno. :?

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I think a few beginner tuts would be awesome...the problem comes in when beginners make tuts. They think "hey this is cool, I'll show everyone how I did it" and everyone else is groaning because they already know.

Exactly what I've been trying to get across (but failed miserably). There is nothing wrong with the basic tutorials - heck, even I've made one tutorial that is a basic a way to use the gradient tool - but as T_LH said, it's when the 'noobs' begin thinking they've come up with something original even though it's just one or two steps more than one already present. That is the reason why the tut section is so bogged down and the better tutorials are buried and I think the Pictorium would be a better place for such articles (suggestion originally made by CMD, not trying to steal your idea)

I think having a specialised ability section within the tut forums is a great idea zookey. The PDN help file also has some great examples of how to use the tools and I believe it to have been designed towards the new users of the program and/or photo editing, but if that appears too complicated or something isn't as clear as it should be then a specific beginners topic would be ideal. I'd say give it a go Mr Frojo for your idea, maybe with permission you could merge a few tuts into one thread?

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I have to say I am impressed with the comments here. I really thought I would be "shot down" for my suggestion of a section of Begginers Tutorials. Thanks for the support and understanding.

I do have to say being extremely new here and new to the program, I did find a post in the Tutorials (that should have been removed by a moderator according to the rules, yes I read the rules, but thankfully was not removed) was responded to by Mr Frojo (I beleive) posting a link that referred the poster to a WikkiBook (I think it was called) that is a very basic "How to" for Paint.Net. Thank you for the resorce Frojo. It is what just what I was looking for! Thanks for the resource, it makes me feel much more confident that I will not be posting one of the Dumbest questions you have ever seen in the history of this forum.

Maybe someone would want to post that link as a Sickie in the General questions area. Just a suggestion.

The link to the WikkiBook is: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Paint.NET

I don't know if you all caught my comment on reading the rules stickie earlier in this post but I have noticed how many of you have made the comment that no one seems to read the rules. I am proud to say that is the first post that I read! So some of us do.

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Yea, the wikibook is a pretty good place for begginers to learn some of the basics. The only problem is that it still isnt completed. It still has some good info in it though.

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The WikkiBook is a good starting point for those who are completely new to both the progam and this type of software in general. It gives a basic foundation and that little knowlege will give me a base to start building on. I mean I read some of these tuts and they may say to use the twist (kinda self explanitory but that is something I just saw in one of the tuts) or the Gausian (sp?) blur on layer "top" and I am thinking what are they talking about! Then I start thinking "what is a layer and how are they used" and I don't want to come into a forum and ask people "what is a layer and how are they used and why have multiple layers" because they are going to see exactly how much of a Dumbie I am. Personally, I work part time as a College Lab Assistant (tutor) in ALL the math, accounting, and business areas, along with some of the application software areas. I have also gone through Microsoft approved training and received a "Master MOUS" certificate meaning that I have passed Microsofts Expert user test in both Word and Excel and also passed the PowerPoint, Access, and Outlook tests with over 80% of the abilities tested. I am not attempting to impress anyone here, I am just trying to say I am no Dumbie when it comes to computers and software, but this software and Graphic Arts type of thing is completely new to me (I thought I would learn something new this summer while school is out, before my son takes PhotoShop as a Senior this fall). I really hate to have resourses out there that I have not utilized fully and then ask questions that make me look like a "Dumbie". I have no problem in asking questions once I understand what is in black and white right in front of my face.

I really do think that a Beginners Tutorial would be a good idea to give us "Beginners" a very basic understanding so that some of the more "Advanced" tuts make more sense. I would feel much more confident if I knew what the gusian (sp?) blur was or the Curves plugin was before I tried to use it in a tutorial. I can look at some of the tuts here and know if I follow all the steps I will come up with something very simular to what the intended out come was but the "why" and "what it does" behind the steps is so much more helpful to me.

Boy did I ramble in this post or what!

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Boy did I ramble in this post or what!

Wasn't going to mention it :wink:. Seriously though, it is in the so ramble all you want.

I think usedHONDA has the link to the WikiBook in his sig, I also think it was his responsibility to maintain it but it hasn't been mentioned that much nor have I visited it lately so don't know what the state of play is.

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