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They inject you with weakened virus strains, your body beats them, and you gain resistance. I guess that's how it works, might be wrong though.

 

I don't know what to think about alternative treatments. On one hand, I'm a skeptic, but on the other, I like keeping an open mind. I've tried echinacea for flu, and I think it relieved my sore throat momentarily.

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My cell bio professor is really into disease prevention using natural stuff. B-vitamins, beta carotene, antioxidants, pretty much all the nutrients from healthy foods. Today he was talking about how in Asian cultures, the women have a decreased risk of breast cancer because of the phytoestrogens in tofu... It's all about taking care of yourself on the cellular level, because (and I think this is his tagline...) we're nothing but ~6 trillion cells :)

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Today he was talking about how in Asian cultures, the women have a decreased risk of breast cancer because of the phytoestrogens in tofu... It's all about taking care of yourself on the cellular level,

 

Did he happen to mention that Asians are enduring a tsunami of diabetes in the Western world?  Definitely something in our lifestyle (diet) doesn't agree with their metabolism.  See the same thing in Pacific peoples here in New Zealand. 

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 luckily my pharmacist noticed a few weeks ago that a tablet a specialist prescibed, and my GP wrote up would have interacted with one of the 9 I'm on daily to cause Serotonin Syndrome ... 

Serotonin Syndrome is scary stuff.  But that's what pharmacists are there for, to catch interactions, so I'm glad they did their job well.  Glad you didn't get SS, too.

 

The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.
Amy: But how did it end up in there?
The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.
River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him.

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Did he happen to mention that Asians are enduring a tsunami of diabetes in the Western world?  Definitely something in our lifestyle (diet) doesn't agree with their metabolism.  See the same thing in Pacific peoples here in New Zealand. 

He did not, but that is an interesting fact. Just looked at some statistics: the percentage of Asian-Americans is about 1% higher than for white Americans (as of 2011). It's about 4% higher for African-Americans. It's all these processed foods we consume. If our diets consisted of fruits, veggies and fish, we would be tons healthier. Unfortunately, the processed foods taste better... 

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The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.
Amy: But how did it end up in there?
The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.
River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him.

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That might be true, but I do wonder if the difference in the price of "real food" and processed stuff is really too big.

Only marginally related to the discussion, but: I've been doing a lot of budget planning, because, well, I love planning — implementation is a problem, on the other hand — and I could do with a bit over 3€ a day for food and still eat very healthy, and do consider that Finland is ridiculously expensive. Buy in bulk, buy in season, less meat and dairy (or none), grow your own spices and herbs if living conditions allow.

 

I guess the biggest problem of all isn't really the cost of food, but ignorance and laziness. I guess those who really have to decide between buying 3 cheeseburgers or buying lettuce, lentils and carrots have no idea why they should not choose former. Also, generally having a healthy lifestyle requires commitment and actually taking the time to cook and exercise; many are not ready to change their priorities to accommodate to those changes.

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My wife and I have done a decent amount of research on the healthiness and relative price of food in the western world, and what it seems like is: the price of processed food, like it's ingredients, is artificial.  Companies artificially lower the price on processed food by paying their suppliers and employees very low amounts, and sometimes even taking a loss on some of their products to get you in the door, build brand loyalty, etc.  If food were to cost "what it really costs," the prices would normalize and your lettuce, lentils and carrots would adjust to cost less than those three cheeseburgers, as they should.

 

Why is that?  Because right now, the free market wants cheap, crappy food.  Economically speaking, that's what the demand is.  Instead of going to the delicious Punch Burger in Indianapolis, which serves all-local beef and beer and quite frankly makes the best hamburger I've ever eaten but charges ~$6 for a burger (which is actually a pretty good price), people would rather go to McDonald's and eat a burger simuloid (what I call a 'burger-flavored food item'*) for $1.00.

 

Until people get their priorities switched around and prefer health over price, this won't change.

 

 

*kind of a like a 'grape-flavored candy' - it reminds you of the flavor, but it isn't really the right flavor.

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The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.
Amy: But how did it end up in there?
The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.
River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him.

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When you grow your own food you realize what you have been missing.  It tastes better fresh from the garden.

 

If I could only convince my partner that rabbits taste nice....

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...and people taste Ok with a few fava beans and a nice Chianti! Muhahahahahaha......

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With all the toxins and radiation in the air,water and everyday chemical products used by millions I believe foods are the least of our worries. I don't eat fast foods and very rarely go out to eat. I eat veggies everyday along with meats of all kinds. I have not eaten fish for quite awhile now because our waters are polluted, especially the oceans where billions of toxins are dumped in daily around the world and in recent years radiation from Japan. Also drugs prescribed by doctors can't be trusted either. I am almost 60 years old and if it wasn't for 44 years of smoking I would be in perfect health. 

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Also drugs prescribed by doctors can't be trusted either. I am almost 60 years old and if it wasn't for 44 years of smoking I would be in perfect health. 

That's a dangerous and untrue blanket statement.  Some of them, maybe, but not all (or even most).

 

The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.
Amy: But how did it end up in there?
The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.
River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him.

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This is super well done and kind of heartbreaking.  Also really important.  Take a minute to think about what's going on in other countries besides your own.

 

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Amy: But how did it end up in there?
The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.
River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him.

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Eating people could be one solution to both world hunger and overpopulation!

Actually, the carrying capacity for the Earth is estimated to be around 14-16 billion people...we're at about 7 billion right now, and rate of population growth has actually been decreasing for the past 30-40 years. At the pace we're going, we're likely to hit an equilibrium at around 12-14 billion. Since there's an estimated 13 billion square kilometers of arable land on Earth (a number that has been steadily increasing over the past few years), and each square kilometer can feed 3-5 people per year, we're really in no danger of overpopulating. In fact, at that equilibrium population, we'd be producing 3-5 times as much food as we even needed!

How about water? Well, the Columbia River's daily capacity is almost exactly double the amount of fresh water that Earth's entire population needs right now. And that's a relatively small river on the world scale!

Power would be an issue, right? No, not really. Solar and wind energy has been increasing exponentially in efficiency in the past few decades, and shows no signs of slowing that roll yet. Fusion is all but certainly viable within the next dozen years or so - just a few months ago, researchers were able to produce a fusion reaction that gave off more energy than it used. Making it self-sustaining, and then inexpensive, are now the only hurdles - ones we already know how to solve in theory, we just have to do the research to make it happen. Once we are able to produce clean, safe energy with fusion, we will be able to completely satisfy all of our energy needs with no problem or ecological impact.

What about quality of life? Well, if all 14 billion people lived in a single megacity with the same density as New York City (not even the most densely populated metropolis), we would fill an area about the size of...the American Southwest. Basically, two Texases. And while I live in more sparsely-populated Indianapolis, I don't think my quality of life would decline that drastically if I had to live in a place like New York.

So, don't worry! Overpopulation is unlikely. And even if those equilibrium numbers are wrong...well, that's more incentive to build colonies on the Moon and Mars, isn't it? ;)

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The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.
Amy: But how did it end up in there?
The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.
River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him.

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It's true.  Hopefully as the population continues to grow industries will continue to pop up to employ them.  I mean, my industry didn't even exist 20 years ago.

 

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Amy: But how did it end up in there?
The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.
River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him.

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Hello.

Woah!  Good to see you again!  :-)

 

The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.
Amy: But how did it end up in there?
The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.
River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him.

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We exhibit voidlessnessless :mrgreen:  Welcome back!

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