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Rick Brewster

HD Photo plugin - BETA

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Howy    0

Your pretty good at this, Rick :)

Shame that this doesnt work on mobile phones though.

The Nokia 5800 would have been great with HD pics..

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To display my own work.

E.g. as my sig.

I recommend not to do that as there are much better file types for image sharing.

I do recommend, either .jpg, or .png, or (but only for animation) .gif. There is also a png that supports animation but don't use that one.

As Rick Brewster said:

Un-sticky'd. I'm not convinced anyone actually uses HD Photo (Paint.NET or otherwise).

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david.atwell    281
There is also a png that supports animation but don't use that one.

Why not? It's supported in all modern web browsers but IE, and in unsupported browsers it'll still display the first frame.

As for the HD Photo thing - well, in all actuality, HD Photo is just a curiosity at this point. Since most consumer-grade cameras can't shoot at a high enough DPI to make it worthwhile, and most professionals with enough money to buy a high-MP camera have the money to be able to purchase a more expensive graphics package, having support for HD Photo would be fairly pointless in a free package.

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Well I don't do animation :P but anyways I've always liked gif...

HD-PHOTO well... You said it David :)

EDIT: Adding to what David said, HD Photo is not directly related to High-Definition Images/Video.

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Franklamp    0
You can read all about HD Photo here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Photo

NOTE: This is a BETA release. Eventually it will be built-in to Paint.NET though.

.NET Framework 3.0 is required for this plugin to work. This is built-in to Windows Vista, or you can download it for XP here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... 634C3BF043

You must also have Paint.NET v3.20. Earlier versions of Paint.NET will not work.

Installation Instructions:

1) Copy HDPhoto.dll to C:/Program Files/Paint.NET/FileTypes

2) Restart Paint.NET (if it was already started)

If you installed to a place other than "C:/Program Files/Paint.NET" then substitute the appropriate directory name.

Download: http://www.getpaint.net/files/zip/HDPhoto.0.4.zip

Change Log:

v0.1, April 5th -- Initial release. Expires on June 1st, 2007.

v0.2, April 28th 2007 -- Added ability to open images that are not 32-bit BGRA. Also added ability to save in 24-bit format. This version now expires on July 1st, 2007.

v0.2 (again), June 16th, 2007 -- Recompiled and re-uploaded. Expiration date is now September 1st, 2007, and also will expire if Paint.NET reports that it is version 3.20 or newer. July 4th -- reuploaded version that should work now.

v0.3 -- September 8th, 2007 -- Recompiled and re-uploaded. Removed date-based expiration in favor of version-based expiration. This plugin will cease working if Paint.NET is upgraded to version 3.20 or newer (which doesn't exist yet -- the plan is simply to have the plugin integrated by then).

v0.4 -- December 14th, 2007 -- New release that works w/ Paint.NET v3.20. Version expiration now set so that it won't expire until Paint.NET v4.0.

Great Job... Now we have Photoshop file... HD file... what next? :P

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ggrussell    0

New to Paint.net. INstalled and downloaded the HD Plugin. I loaded a standard JPG from my camera. Tried to save as HD photo and I get an unspecified error. I have .NET 1,2,& 3.5 installed. WinXP Media Center SP3.

Also your Plugin doesn't support 48bit or 64 bit. Would be nice.

As for the HD Photo thing - well, in all actuality, HD Photo is just a curiosity at this point.
This format has been approved by the Joint Photo Experts Group and will be incorporated as JPEG XR. As pointed out earlier, the format has nothing to do with 'hidef' or even really large megapixel images. From what I have read at the JPEG website, it has more feature like embedded ICC profiles, multiple images per file and better compression with better image.

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Rick Brewster    847

Yes it's an approved format and has lots of smart and official people giving it the thumbs up, etc. etc. blah blah blah.

I have yet to see anyone using it for anything real. Regular JPEG has simply won by being good enough and completely prevalent. If I want to send a picture to a friend, I send them a JPEG. I don't send them an HD Photo / JPEG XR image and say "oh btw please install all these plugins so you can view it" or "btw make sure you're using XP SP3 or Vista or newer." Nope, I just send them a JPEG which works with everything. There isn't enough benefit from the new format to make any normal user switch over.

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I have yet to see anyone using it for anything real.

I for one do.

HD Photo is at the moment the best choice when saving your file in Paint.NET - as long as you are on Vista or Seven. Combining - and improving - all the advantages of JPEG and PNG, including rich metadata, alpha and lossless mode, HD Photo does the job. One of the few things I looked forward to when I got Vista. JPEG is fail. Without options like GIMP, it produces crappy results even on "100", it has been discussed and shown on this forum.

I really don't get why I should spend hours and days on artwork and then save it as ruined file in a format which is actually out of date. OK, I could save as PNG - but can I tag the file? Can I rate it? Do I even see the author? Nope, at least not outside of Photo Gallery. Now I have an OS praised for all the indexing and search stuff, but the PNGs will not show up in my "4 and 5 stars" search folder. With HD Photo, it works. For real, there is no reason why I should save in the worse file format when I have HDP. HDPs need less space while featuring better quality and more possibilities than JPEG. It's just as saving in DOC when you have access to and make use of DOCX (Word 2007).

The only thing which matters is the compatibility issue, but I can convert them in seconds. And when Seven launches, many people who didn't want to upgrade from XP to Vista will move on Seven, then being able to view HDPs. Considering it is becoming JPEG XR, I guess all the rest is just a matter of years.

Nice job on HD Photo, Microsoft.

As a side note: You do not need SP3 in XP for HD Photo. You only need WIC, which is just ONE MB (see yourself) and is installed when you get Windows Live Photo Gallery with all it's features including panorama stitching and people tags. WL Gallery itself opens HDP, being WIC based.

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Rick Brewster    847
As a side note: You do not need SP3 in XP for HD Photo.

Correct :) It's just easier to make sure someone has XP SP3 or Vista as opposed to "SP3 or WIC or .NET 3.0 or newer". Just ask them to right click My Computer, then properties, then check the version string.

Actually one of the reasons I never built this into Paint.NET was because I wanted to have "full" configuration options. The codec's configuration properties were sort of a rat's nest of "if X is true, then Y must be Z, and option M is disregarded", etc. But with IndirectUI that all is much much simpler -- I just set it all up with PropertyCollectionRules.

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I loaded the plugin and placed it in file types as instructed. I have done this many times and i will admit it takes a minute or so to find things. Now that said, I cannot find this anywhere, where should this file type appear, should it appear in effects or adjustment? What am I looking for? HDphoto? I know that each one is listed alphabetically but nothing with HDphoto.

This seems to be a very interesting plugin.

thank you

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Would it be possible to change the plugin so that it doesn't discard all the metadata?

The point here is: The best use for HD Photo is saving edited Digital Camera pictures. Paint.NET includes a lot of effects for improving the quality of your photos, especially via plugins. Now, if I edit my photos I don't want to loose any quality when saving them. With JPEG, I usually save it in a way that the filesize becomes larger than the original, and still I'm not sure wether I loose quality.

With HD Photo, I think, you can keep the quaility and even reduce the filesize. Also, It has a lossless mode.

But when I use the plugin, all metadata is lost. :?

As Windows 7 supports HDP even more than Vista (for example in Media Center) I ask for an update and also encourage you to include it in Paint.NET. In 7 (and in Vista) it's supported in Windows Explorer, Windows (Live) Photo Gallery, Windows Photo Viewer, Media Center (7) and all WIC applications.

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randomevent    0

Because 4.0 will definitely have HD Photo built-in.

I can't wait to see that if it's still in the plans :) My opinion is JpegXR isn't supported because it's not supported (and yes, I know that sounds corny.) There's little ecosystem buildup because noone is taking the first step (until now with IE9.)

Kinda like the argument 'there're no 64 bit browsers because there're no 64 bit plugins' which wraps around to 'there're no 64 bit plugins because there're no 64 bit browsers' (except IE of course.)

Note I'm not trying to complain (your work is far above my expectations and I should donate soon,) just commenting on how things seem to go in the tech industry.

Edited by randomevent

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Rick Brewster    847

I can't wait to see that if it's still in the plans :)

It's not. Notice how I said that way back in 2007. It is not relevant anymore.

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randomevent    0

It's not. Notice how I said that way back in 2007. It is not relevant anymore.

I wasn't going to hold you to it or anything, was just hoping. :) And yes, I did notice the date.

Ah well. But with it finally being a standard and getting further support, I'm sure things will happen sooner or later. :) I'm not in any particular rush.

Have fun man

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Cyberkagami    0
<br />I wasn't going to hold you to it or anything, was just hoping. <img src='http://forums.getpaint.net/public/style_emoticons/default/boltbait.smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />  And yes, I did notice the date.<br /><br />Ah well.  But with it finally being a standard and getting further support, I'm sure things will happen sooner or later. <img src='http://forums.getpaint.net/public/style_emoticons/default/boltbait.smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />  I'm not in any particular rush.<br /><br />Have fun man<br />
<br /><br />I hope so, too. <img src='http://forums.getpaint.net/public/style_emoticons/default/boltbait.smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

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