jeradc Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 A new image defaults to a layer named Background. Create a new layer, it is called Layer 2. Create a new layer, it is called Layer 3. Delete Layer 2 leaving Background and Layer 3 Create a new layer, it is called Layer 3. We now have Background, Layer 3, and Layer 3. It would appear that the new layer creation code is counting the layers and labeling the new one accordingly, which does not take into account layer names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barkbark00 Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 I know this is not what you are looking to hear, but I usually change the Layer name as I create them. Saves me a lot of confusion. Quote Take responsibility for your own intelligence. 😉 -Rick Brewster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 This is not a bug. Therefore, it does not belong in "Bugs & Troubleshooting." I guess I could just name all new layers "New Layer". But that would be more confusing. There will always be some confusing naming no matter what scheme you use. Moved Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barkbark00 Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Couldn't you use a sequential numbering system instead of just counting layers? That way if the last new layer created was "Layer 3" then the next will be "Layer 4" even if you already deleted "Layer 3"... Quote Take responsibility for your own intelligence. 😉 -Rick Brewster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Couldn't you use a sequential numbering system instead of just counting layers? That way if the last new layer created was "Layer 3" then the next will be "Layer 4" even if you already deleted "Layer 3"... And then you'd wonder why the 4th layer was suddenly created with the name "Layer 382". Like I said, it's going to be perceived as confusing no matter what. Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barkbark00 Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 why not have a dictionary and have pdn choose a random layer name, like this:"Layer Apple" "Layer Fish" "Layer Hairbrush" that'd work wouldn't it? (that's a joke) funny... Quote Take responsibility for your own intelligence. 😉 -Rick Brewster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeradc Posted February 7, 2007 Author Share Posted February 7, 2007 Does anyone know off hand how other applications that handle layers, label their new layers? I'll look at Photoshop later tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 why not have a dictionary and have pdn choose a random layer name, like this:"Layer Apple" "Layer Fish" "Layer Hairbrush" Best. Idea. Ever. Seriously. Quote No. Way. I've just seen Bob. And... *poof!*—just like that—he disappears into the mist again. ~Helio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Does anyone know off hand how other applications that handle layers, label their new layers?I'll look at Photoshop later tonight. I believe Photoshop actually pops up a modal dialog asking you for the new name, and the default is "New Layer" or something. I'm not a big fan of modal dialogs for this type of action. Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Man Dan Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 I like the way The GIMP handles it. By default, clicking on the New Layer button creates a new layer named "New Layer #x" where x is the lowest unused number. So, if you had: New Layer #4 New Layer #3 New Layer #2 New Layer #1 Background ,deleted New Layer #2, then added a new layer, you'd get another New Layer #2. (Again, though, this could be conceived as confusing.) The GIMP also allows for a dialog in which you can set the Layer's name, dimensions (wouldn't be necessary in PDN due to all layers being the same size), and fill options (Foreground color, Background color, White, Transparent). To get this, hold [Ctrl] and click the the New Layer button. Really, I don't think there is a perfect solution, but I do know that having two layers with the same name is disorienting. Perhaps if a layer name is used already, the new layer name would skip to the next number? Quote I am not a mechanism, I am part of the resistance; I am an organism, an animal, a creature, I am a beast. ~ Becoming the Archetype Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeradc Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 Photoshop 6 will just increase the layer number forever. Create Layer 2 Create Layer 3 Create Layer 4 Delete Layer 3 leaving Layer 2 and 4 The next layer is layer 5 fyi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadJik Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 We could think about another solution more logical: next # will be the actuel maximum # +1. . layer 3 . layer 5 . layer 2 (next layer will be . layer 6) Quote My DeviantArt | My Pictorium | My Plugins | Donate via Paypal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeradc Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 We could think about another solution more logical:next # will be the actuel maximum # +1. . layer 3 . layer 5 . layer 2 (next layer will be . layer 6) This sounds like what I posted as being PS 6 behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake2k Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I would have to say that the easiest way is to just name the layer as you make them. works fine for me Quote ^Click to visit my Flickr Gallery^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedHONDA Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 While were on the subject, I think it would be nice if when you duplicate a layer, the name would add a number to it. Example: Shadow effect layer *Duplicate layer* Shadow effect layer (1) Shadow effect layer (2) Or better yet, the number in parentheses can be underlined or in red. EDIT: Just a few examples Quote "The greatest thing about the Internet is that you can write anything you want and give it a false source." ~Ezra Pound twtr | dA | tmblr | yt | fb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Adding rich text formatting to layer names? "Layer 2 (1)" and "Layer 2 (2)" ? I'm going to be brutally honest here and say that I seriously hope you're joking because that's the worst idea I've ever heard. And I've heard a lot of bad ideas! You're solving the wrong problem man. Please read this blog post for some guidance: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The_Com ... loves.aspx (you'll have to copy-paste the URL because it isn't linking right w/ phpBB) But I will leave you with this bit of advice: the next time you find yourself designing software, be wary of The Complicators; take a good, hard look at your first revision and just say to yourself, "gloves." (Article summary: Some engineers went off on some huge long design discussion to figure out how to make heated handlebars for their bikes that they ride to work. Because one guy's hands were cold Then one guy came onto the e-mail discussion and said, "Umm, duh ... just use gloves." And that was the end of that.) In any event, what CMD mentions from GIMP and what jeradc mention from Photoshop do appear to be better implementations. In the end though, is it really even worth it? Is it that much of a problem? Or does this thread keep going just because it's giving you guys something creative to vent into In other unrelated news I just got back to my desk to find somebody has placed a mini Butterfinger on my keyboard. :?: Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Is it that much of a problem? No. Quote No. Way. I've just seen Bob. And... *poof!*—just like that—he disappears into the mist again. ~Helio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedHONDA Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Adding rich text formatting to layer names? "Layer 2 (1)" and "Layer 2 (2)" ? I'm going to be brutally honest here and say that I seriously hope you're joking because that's the worst idea I've ever heard. And I've heard a lot of bad ideas! You're solving the wrong problem man. Please read this blog post for some guidance: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The_Com ... loves.aspx (you'll have to copy-paste the URL because it isn't linking right w/ phpBB) Well I'm only suggesting it because Microsoft does it with copying files and folders. And I know you've heard worse ideas from me before Quote "The greatest thing about the Internet is that you can write anything you want and give it a false source." ~Ezra Pound twtr | dA | tmblr | yt | fb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoltBait Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 The only thing I find irritating is that PdN will make new layers with the same names as other layers. If that could be avoided I'd be happy. I find that I usually don't look at the layer names too much unless I'm working on a difficult piece. And, in that case, I usually name my layers myself anyway. Quote Download: BoltBait's Plugin Pack | CodeLab | and a Free Computer Dominos Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedHONDA Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Ooh! Rick! I got another dumb idea! How about resizable layer thumbnails? Vista does it in windows explorer. Quote "The greatest thing about the Internet is that you can write anything you want and give it a false source." ~Ezra Pound twtr | dA | tmblr | yt | fb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellfire010 Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 This is not a bug. Therefore, it does not belong in "Bugs & Troubleshooting."I guess I could just name all new layers "New Layer". But that would be more confusing. There will always be some confusing naming no matter what scheme you use. Moved it could pop up a 'choose name' dialog upon creation of a new layer, with the default name of "Layer 3" (4,5, 712, whatever). If people don't want to use the feature they can press enter to keep the default, but it will encourage people to use named layers, which imo is good practice.maybe it's the sort of behaviour that should be tickbox enableable in an options screen. Although there is quite a bit of disaproval, I rather like the idea. No, it isn't a big issue. But, the point of a program is to keep working on it until it's as perfect as you can make it. Naturally, there are many things that take priority to this - but that doesn't mean this should be ignored. As Rick beat me to saying, making each new layer say "New Layer," Edit: [ I think it ] would be a good idea. I don't think it would make much confusion at all, especially if (as user24 beat me to (wish I got here sooner )) creating a new layer would prompt the layer properties menu (or just ask you to give it a name). Now, this may be annoying for some people, though others would like it (like me). Therefore this feature should have the ability to be toggled on and off. Since this is not a high-priority issue, perhaps it can just be done in your free time, Rick (if you have any ). Anyway, it would just be a nice thing to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 I wasn't suggesting that as a good idea, Hellfire. You completely misunderstood me. Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crosswalker Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Hey Rick, Just a thought. I generally try to keep layers named when I'm working with PDN, but if I've got several layer open, clicking each, then clicking the layer properties menu, then typing it in, then exiting the window can be a bit cumbersome. How hard would it be to implement something like the windows explorer implementation of file renaming - Where you click the name of a file, then click again relatively quickly and the name turns into a text box from which you can rename the file? personally, I'd see this as a big speed increase, as far as work flow goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Lionhearted Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 I think that's a good idea. Quote My Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedHONDA Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 I like the idea. Quote "The greatest thing about the Internet is that you can write anything you want and give it a false source." ~Ezra Pound twtr | dA | tmblr | yt | fb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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