Japhasca Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) I'm not sure if I worded that correctly, and I may in fact be crazy. However, I just updated to 4.0 today, and I swear the pixel grid (which I use obsessively, since I work mostly zoomed-in, with pixel graphics) now makes it harder to see how adjacent pixels look together. Whereas pre-4.0, I could do my editing just fine with the grid on, I now have to toggle it on and off to get a proper feel for my graphics. The effect is very noticeable at 700% which is the lower threshold I edit at. Are my eyes dieing or has something changed? Edited June 25, 2014 by Japhasca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 No, you're not crazy. Nobody, including myself, noticed this for some reason. 3.5 draws dotted black lines for the pixel grid. 4.0 draws dotted black-and-white lines for the pixel grid. I think it looks better and is more usable in 3.5. I'll file a bug for 4.0.1. Thanks! Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japhasca Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 Much appreciated! Thanks!(Glad I'm not crazy!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midora Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I didn't complain because I was happy with this change. In 3.5.11 you can not see the grid on a dark (black) background. So going back is not the best idea in all cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japhasca Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 Maybe the best answer is the most obvious: options. Photoshop lets you pick color and line type (solid, dotted, dashed, and dashed/dotted, I believe.) Just being able to pick between black, white, or white and black should work adequately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I can also make it configurable. 3.5 style is black dots. 4.0 style is black and white dots. Maybe also allow just white dots. Edit: jinx! We had the same idea at the same time, Japhasca. Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japhasca Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) Lol, nice!I think that should work for just about everyone Edited June 25, 2014 by Japhasca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrochild Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 What about something like the stippled XOR that 3.5 uses for selections? Quote ambigram signature by Kemaru [i write plugins and stuff] If you like a post, upvote it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Can't. I'm using Direct2D to draw the pixel grid. That would require introducing a GPU -> CPU memory transfer, and then CPU -> GPU transfer. Verrrrrrrrrrrrrry slow! With Direct2D 1.1 they allow an XOR compositing mode, but I'm pretty sure that would involve using a layer. Which means extra memory usage (a layer involves rendering to an off-screen bitmap, and then blitting back to the main render target). Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midora Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 My preferred solution would be to keep black and white dots but add a shortcut to toggle on/off the grid. BTW In newer versions of PathTools and PrintIt plugins Alt+Shift+G is used for toggling the grid. (Alt+Shift+R for rulers, Alt+Shift+B for document border, Alt+Shift+H for other hints on the canvas). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japhasca Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 My preferred solution would be to keep black and white dots but add a shortcut to toggle on/off the grid. Why? My point was that I can't use it effectively the way it is. If I can have *my* black dots and you can still have *your* black-and-white dots, then we both win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midora Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Why? My point was that I can't use it effectively the way it is. If I can have *my* black dots and you can still have *your* black-and-white dots, then we both win. Because - up to now - the Paint.NET way was not to allow a config if there is no absolute need to have it. Because the grid is not a tool, the settings dialog has to be used for this config. There is no fast way to switch the settings. I thought your issue was that you have problems to compare colors of adjacent pixels. The best way to see the pixels is to switch off the grid with a fast method (like a shortcut). But I do not have a any issue with an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japhasca Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 Ah, ok, misunderstanding then. No prob.As far as the technical side, I don't know anything about that, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 I'm going to keep the pixel grid colors as-is (that is, alternating white and black pixels), but cut the opacity in half. That seems to help a lot. 1 Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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