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REMINDER: paint.net 4.0 will require Windows 7+

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This isn't new news, but I'd like to remind everyone that paint.net 4.0 will require Windows 7 SP1 or newer (this includes Windows 8 and 8.1, of course). It should also run fine on Windows Server 2008 R2, 2012, and 2012 R2 or newer. Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows Server 2008 "non-R2" will not work. As usual, I don't actually do any testing on Windows Server, so support there is primarily of the "good faith effort" type.

 

So if you've been holding out on upgrading to Windows 7 or 8.1, now is a great time to do so! Microsoft has done a pretty good job of making this as frictionless as possible when it comes to pricing and installation (e.g. low prices and easy upgrades).

 

I expect 4.0 to be finished ("RTM") within the next few months (it'll definitely be after Christmas; maybe keep it in mind for your shopping or wish lists?). Once it's released, 3.5 will be officially unsupported and will not be available for download from the website. I still haven't decided on an "unofficial" or "grace period" policy for the forum (e.g. it's not like I'm going to ban someone if they post a tutorial that uses 3.5, right?).

 

You can download the latest preview version (aka alpha/beta/unstable) over in the paint.net 4.0 Preview Center. You can read about all the new features over on the paint.net blog.

 

Also worth mentioning is that if you have 3.5 installed, it won't expire or "die" once 4.0 is released. You can keep using it as long as you like without having to upgrade; it's just the support policy on this forum that will start excluding it. (In other words, go ahead and use it, just don't bug me about it :))

 

Pre-emptive NOTE: Please do not ask me to add support for Vista or XP. It's not that your request is lame or invalid or anything, it's just not going to happen (sorry, I'm just being honest!). 

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It's worth noting that Windows 8.1 is a free upgrade for Windows 8. So, if you manage to find a really cheap copy of Windows 8 but you can't find the same kind of deal on 8.1, then by all means get 8! (don't pirate it of course, that's not what I mean)

 

Students can often get heavily discounted or free copies of Windows (see link below for 8.1 Pro directly from Microsoft). For instance, when I went to Washington State University I was able to get Windows XP for free. My license was invalid once I graduated, but you'll have to check into the specific terms & conditions for your school and department.

 

If you're not sure whether to get Pro or non-Pro, there's a handy comparison chart on Microsoft's website.

 

Here's some handy links if you're looking for OS media or upgrades. 

 

Windows 8.1, Full Version

Windows 8.1 Pro, Full Version

(These are not "affiliate links." I don't get any money if you buy via them. If you post an affiliate link in here then I will delete your post and we will not be happy with you.)

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I appreciate the hard work, Rick. I actually haven't tried the 4.0 preview version yet because I'm holding out for the full release of 4.0. I know it's going to be worth the wait.

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Do try it.  Power users such as yourself can provide Rick with meaningful feedback as you try to replicate/improve your techniques.

 

Remember you can run 3.5.11 and 4.0 side-by-side.  Instructions here: http://forums.getpaint.net/index.php?/topic/27227-paintnet-40-alpha-build-5034/?p=399792

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If being able to run Paint.NET v4 isn't enough incentive for you, how about this: Today, Microsoft ends support for Windows XP, and you should upgrade for your own security; there will be no more security fixes released by Microsoft, ever.

 

Windows 7 and 8.1 can be purchased for a very low price compared to the price of not upgrading. If you don't upgrade, you face the very real possibility of identity theft, having your PC being used for sending spam, stolen passwords and banking information, or data erased entirely. Like any other "unattended" program, Windows XP - once a great program and the first really excellent operating system - has just become the low-hanging fruit for hackers.

 

And you can't complain about not having any warning. They announced this when it was released and pushed back the deadline twice.

 

So why did Microsoft need to leave Windows XP behind?  Well, several reasons.  First of all, the release of Vista, then of 7 and 8 and finally 8.1, have required people to program, and that is not a limitless resource.  If Microsoft dwells on XP, there will be no new features in Windows 8.

 

Second, Windows XP is not a modern operating system.  Remember, when Microsoft started working on it in the late 1990s, pretty much all of the web we know and love didn't exist yet. Wikipedia, most of Google, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube were all invented after Microsoft started work on Windows XP.

 
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Friends, Buffy The Vampire Slayer, The Sopranos, The X-Files, and The West Wing were still on the air. Firefly had yet to premiere.
 
Peanuts was still in the papers. Charles Schultz was still alive, as was Sir Alec Guinness (Obi-Wan Kenobi) and Douglas Adams. Star Wars Episode 1 had just been released.
 
Bill Clinton was still the president of the United States. 9/11 hadn't happened yet. Vladimir Putin wasn't the president of Russia yet. World population had just topped six billion. Microsoft itself was still in an antitrust lawsuit with the US government. The ILOVEYOU virus was circulating the young web. Y2K was still in the future. MIR was still in orbit.  Paint.NET didn't even exist.
 
Basically, the world that Windows XP was written for was almost unrecognizably different from our world today.
 
So please, do yourself a favor.  Protect yourself from identity theft.  Update your computer or get a new one.  Get a modern operating system with modern features.  Uninstall your museum piece.
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The thing is - Windows 7 is supposedly not so available in stores anymore, and people are hating Win-8 compared to Win-7.

(sorta like people hated Vista compared to XP)

 

This is just a repeat of what i've read others saying, so don't ask me to elaborate :)

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Sorry, I just noticed this. It's not that I'm not pro-progress. IF it's prudent-progress. Meaning - bio-friendly.

For the past decades, both computer frequencies & epoxies (gaussing & gassing) have prematurely aged me.

 

So if very-low-watt - E-Ink tablets ever become very affordable and also offer large screens (eye-friendly) and guaranteed zero VOC such as Eco-Bond products, I'd be all for it. But realistically, because nobody's demanding it, I don't see such a total-combo becoming ubiquitous all that soon, if at all.

 

Meanwhile every few weeks, I'm going thru teething-pains attempting Linux (still barely at 1st base).

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minni, I feel like you posted this in the wrong thread.  :-)  Or it's off-topic.  Feel free to discuss that sort of thing in the <off-topic> thread; let's leave this open for questions about the Win7/8 requirement for PdN4.

 

Thanks!

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minni, I feel like you posted this in the wrong thread.  :-)  Or it's off-topic.  Feel free to discuss that sort of thing in the <off-topic> thread; let's leave this open for questions about the Win7/8 requirement for PdN4.

 

Thanks!

 

I agree - W8 or 8.1 is just fine. It is a new way of working but one that is quite easy to get used to. :D

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I was just responding to Post #6 above.

In that post, you were pro-progress (I.E. "getting on with it" and leaving antiquated programs behind.

 

So I was explaining my situation in response to post #6.

I.E. sometimes people have reasons for things.

 

For example, I can't find "antiquated" Octagon soap anywhere locally for my bad poison ivy.

 

See, sometimes antiquated soap...and antiquated XP on outgassed hardware - is most bio-friendly.

 

Are Win7 and Win8 easily attachable to outgassed hardware?

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Minni, this is not the thread to be discussing the merits of Win7 vs Win8 vs XP, hardware or soap.  What you're doing is pulling this discussion off-topic.

 

If you want to raise these issues, please start a new thread.  Thanks.

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Minni, this is not the thread to be discussing the merits of Win7 vs Win8 vs XP, hardware or soap.  What you're doing is pulling this discussion off-topic.

 

If you want to raise these issues, please start a new thread.  Thanks.

Actually did Q hardware:

http://forums.getpaint.net/index.php?/topic/28444-paint-pain/

 

OK backing out.

...now back to the topic. re: upgrading MS ssssware.

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Well, I for one will not be using version 4 because of the incompatibility with XP.

Nobody cares.

If you want to continue using an ancient, outdated, unsupported OS, then you can continue using an ancient, outdated, unsupported version of Paint.NET.

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Hey Sammo - welcome to the forum! Pyrochild has (rather bluntly) made a very good point. XP is no more. To continue to use it is to put your system and your data at risk.

If you get the option I urge you to consider upgrading. Then you'll get to use the latest version of 'the best free image editor' :)

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I hope this is not a really silly question. I have Windows 8.1 Pro (update-1) and also holding out for the non beta of paint.net v4. And I have many many plugins installed in 3.5.11. When I do download and install the non beta, will I have to download every plugin again? Will I get a plugin load error like you get in the Utilities menu of 3.5.11?

 

Again sorry if this is a silly question, but I know next to nothing about upgrading and what plugin's may never work in v4.

 

Thank you :)

 

@ Sammo - If you value your data and your pc, you would be very wise to upgrade to Windows-8.1. It is fast, user friendly and secure.

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I hope this is not a really silly question. I have Windows 8.1 Pro (update-1) and also holding out for the non beta of paint.net v4. And I have many many plugins installed in 3.5.11. When I do download and install the non beta, will I have to download every plugin again? Will I get a plugin load error like you get in the Utilities menu of 3.5.11?

 

Again sorry if this is a silly question, but I know next to nothing about upgrading and what plugin's may never work in v4.

Many plugins and plugin packs have been updated for 4.0. You would do well to freshly download all plugins you plan on using.

With my plugin pack, for example, you can limp along with the 3.5 pack if you want, but you'll miss out on a couple of bug fixes and new enhancements that just won't work on 3.5.

It's time for some spring cleaning... dump the plugins that you never use, upgrade the plugins you value.

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When I do download and install the non beta, will I have to download every plugin again?

Nope. Your existing collection of plugins will persist to the new install. Do think about the advice BoltBait gave you above.

 

Will I get a plugin load error like you get in the Utilities menu of 3.5.11?

You might get some. Many are helpfully caught within 4.0 and listed in a dialog. I've detailed those that are caught in the thread below ("shows under Plugin Errors" - or similar).

Current list of plugins incompatible with 4.0x: http://forums.getpaint.net/index.php?/topic/27661-incompatible-plugins-an-incomplete-list-updated-for-405268/

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Thank you BoltBait and Ego Eram Reputo for your answers. I guess it is time to flush out some unused plug ins and will download all the packs when I do migrate to v4 :)

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Nobody cares.

If you want to continue using an ancient, outdated, unsupported OS, then you can continue using an ancient, outdated, unsupported version of Paint.NET.

I don't care about paint. I'll just continue to use my Abobe Photoshop. Why are you guys so rude?

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I don't care about paint. I'll just continue to use my Abobe Photoshop.

You join the forum just so you could post something negative and you wonder why someone is rude in return?

 

Why are you guys so rude?

I think you need to look in the mirror in order to answer that question.

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You join the forum just so you could post something negative and you wonder why someone is rude in return?

 

I think you need to look in the mirror in order to answer that question.

You guys are total ****. No wonder nobody uses your software for serious projects. I have never been so rudely treated on any site as I have been here.

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edited to remove unnecessary cursing.

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Sammo, this is off-topic. You came in here with a chip on your shoulder for an unknown reason. If you already have and like Photoshop and weren't using Paint.NET to begin with ... why would we care? Why would YOU care? Why did you feel it was necessary to come here and turn your nose up at us? Please just leave us in peace. If you're already using Photoshop for professional work and you're satisfied with it, I'm not sure why you felt it necessary to bother us.

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