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I have about one straw to go to quit using P.N altogether, and I have barely started. It does some nice tricks, but nothing significant that I can't achieve with other (also free) tools, and it lacks a lot that can only be added by hunting down plugins that might do what I need.

Today it really ticked me off.

When I open a program to work with it, I do not want to be told that if I want to use it I have to go on line RIGHT NOW and download a newer version. I had no idea it was going to do that. If this happens again I will just say to hell with it. I can't rely on things that will suddenly stop functioning with no warning. How about cutting that BS? Sure, I want to know that there is a new one, but it is damnably arrogant and rude to force users to update.

One other aggravating thing - the history delete confirmation. It is a royal pain. There should be a way to limit the history as well, so it doesn't have to be policed constantly. Other programs have more user configurable options.

I was very interested in P.N, but could not try it until very recently when I was given a newer computer. It took a lot of effort just to get the program. I had to use someone else's DSL to download the blasted dotnetcrud. DL-ing P.N on dialup can be like rolling a rock uphill too. Then I get slapped in the face.

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When I open a program to work with it, I do not want to be told that if I want to use it I have to go on line RIGHT NOW and download a newer version. I had no idea it was going to do that. If this happens again I will just say to hell with it. I can't rely on things that will suddenly stop functioning with no warning. How about cutting that BS? Sure, I want to know that there is a new one, but it is damnably arrogant and rude to force users to update.
Which version are you using? This can be turned off.

In Paint.Net 3.0 beta (which it sounds like you should not be running) go under the Help menu-->Check for updates-->Options and turn off Automatically check for newer versions of Paint.NET.

Under 2.72, go to the File Menu-->Updates and uncheck "Automatically check periodically". Also uncheck "Check for Beta releases".

That should solve that problem.

One other aggravating thing - the history delete confirmation. It is a royal pain. There should be a way to limit the history as well, so it doesn't have to be policed constantly. Other programs have more user configurable options.
I don't have a solution for this, but I don't really have a problem with it either. Maybe someone else can help.
I was very interested in P.N, but could not try it until very recently when I was given a newer computer. It took a lot of effort just to get the program. I had to use someone else's DSL to download the blasted dotnetcrud. DL-ing P.N on dialup can be like rolling a rock uphill too. Then I get slapped in the face.
Few things worth downloading from the internet anymore are worth downloading without broadband. Other than buying a commercial tool, I don't see a good solution for this problem either. .NET is required for a lot of things anymore, in the Windows world.
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As I understand it; only the beta versions have a timeout. So use the non beta version, and disable the update check like TinSoldier describes. Using a beta always has a single or two disadvantages.

I don’t think it is the intention that you delete the history every now and then. Just leave it there, unless you are really low on memory. If it is to get a “restore pointâ€

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Ok so you're blaming Paint.NET for the inconveniences caused by your dial-up connection. That's not really fair. The betas clearly state when they expire (unless you're at 800x600 or something, then it might not be visible -- and the system requirements clearly spell out a 1024x768 minimum in that case).

Back around v2.1 the betas did not expire and it ended up being a liability: users would keep reporting bugs months after they had been fixed in the final stable release. This way nobody is using a test (aka "buggy") release for more than a 30 day window. I'd hardly call it "damnably rude and arrogant". Final/stable releases don't expire: nobody is going to be forced to upgrade from v2.72 to v3.0, although I sure won't be providing any support or help for the v2.72 users (there's only 1 of me ... and it's a free app ... go figure).

And the history deletion is only there for ... heck I'm not really sure. I'd be fine with just removing the button all together. You really don't need to use it. The whole point is that you shouldn't really need any configurable options for resource management (computers are good at doing things like that, why not let them do it?).

But hey if you'd rather pay $100 for something else, then I can't stop you.

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I'm really sorry you feel that way jackonice... but most of what you said is either clearly stated or easily edited. And dialup is slow to download just about... everything. Try downloading photoshop with dialup ;)

Also, plugins are not difficult to locate. You simply go to the plugin section of the forum, and voila... theres a whole list of them.

And I don't think you brought all of these problems to our attention in the best way possible (though, at least more mature than what I've seen in the past from people). Try investigating some of these issues, so that you are entirely aware of them and completely understand them to the best fo your ability, before you complain about them.

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I find the unlimited history to be a good thing. There were a couple of times when I needed to undo like 30 steps in CS2, and it only let me go like 20. Now that was aggravating for me. MSPaint only lets you go back 5. There are still things that PDN does better than PS. One of the most significant things is that the pallet is easier to look at and use. Another is the Clouds affect (it may not seem that great to you, but I use it all the time to make flames). You can see while your making the "line" for it to go by (that wasn't worded very well).

TABS.

ITS FREE.

WE OFFER CODES TO ALL TOOLS AND EFFECTS SO YOU CAN DO WHATEVER WITH THEM.

PS IS MORE THAN 200MB WHILE PDN IS ONLY 30MB.

ITS FREE.

THUMBNAILS FOR ALL TOOLS AND EFFECTS.

ITS FREE.

NO KEYGENS REQUIRED.

UNLIMITED HISTORY.

TRANSLUCENT WINDOWS.

TRANSPARENCY/ALPHA FOR COLOR PALLET.

ITS FREE.

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@Bob: It takes longer to download CS2 on my current connection than download 30MB on dial up. And by the way, you can get DSL for a fixed $12.95 if you look around. I forgot what company, but I think it was AT&T.

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I have about one straw to go to quit using P.N altogether, and I have barely started. It does some nice tricks, but nothing significant that I can't achieve with other (also free) tools, and it lacks a lot that can only be added by hunting down plugins that might do what I need.

Name one Freeware program that is even close to PDN? And if your thinking Gimp then your whole rant about other programs having more user configurable options is a load of bloody potato. Gimp has so many user configurable options that you practically have to write the program again just to get anything to work for you. If your not thinking Gimp then all those stupid programs that let you download a dummied down "Free Version" of the full program don't count. I think getting prompted daily to upgrade to the "Full" version is more annoying than a program telling me that there is a free update waiting for me to download and enjoy.

Personally, I think it is you who is "damnably arrogant and rude" to expect this program to know exactly what you want, and then come in here flaming us on your first post when you could have just asked nicely for help. Everyone of us here on the forum would have gladly(as you can see in the above posts) gone into great detail explaining the inner workings of PDN.

 

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