NCC-1701-D Enterprise VS Imperial Star Destroyer

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"Engage." The Enterprise (TNG) blasts through space, into a rift in the space time continuum and reappears with no damage. They are in front of an Imperial Star Destroyer on galactic patrol. The fight starts after many failed hails from the Enterprise. Who would win (destroy the other ship) the battle of super powers?

A poll has been added. Those who have already voted, please revote on the poll! Thanks!

A whole new world of details has been shown to me. Until further notice, this thread is under major reconstruction. Research will be done. In the mean time, assume that the Star Destroyer is Imperial class and the Enterprise is the NCC-1701-D at the command of Jean-Luc Picard. Since the Star Destroyer is on patrol, only an average captain commands it.

[david.atwell]

Well, that all depends. It's a Star Destroyer, yes, but what kind? An Imperial-class? A Victory-class? An Imperial-II class? Maybe a Republic-class. Heaven forbid a Super-class!

And what Enterprise? NX-01? NCC-1701? A? B? C? D? E?

Who's captain of the Enterprise? Archer? Pike? Kirk? Harriman? Garrett? Picard?

Also, who is in command of the ImpStar? Needa? Veers? Tarkin? Is Vader himself on board? How about Palpatine?

My thoughts:

Enterprise NX-01 through NCC-1701-B, against any Star Destroyer except the Super Star Destroyer: Enterprise is toast, unless Kirk is in command. Then, it's the Enterprise by a mile, unless Vader or Palpatine are on board the SD, in which case it's an even fight.

NCC-1701-C against the Imperial class and the Victory class, fair fight. If Garrett is captain, the Enterprise wins. If Vader or Palpatine are on board the SD, it's a fair fight again.

NCC-1701-D is an interesting case. On its own, it can certainly hold its own and take out an Imperial-class and a Victory-class. It'll have trouble against the Super-class, but with Picard on the bridge, even that wouldn't pose much of a threat. Put Vader on the Executor, though, and the Enterprise is going down in flames.

NCC-1701-E, with Picard at the conn? It can take anything the Empire can dish out, and then some. Fast, maneuverable, and packs a punch with its quantum torpedoes and phaser banks. An excellent ship by any account. :-)

[barbieq25]

Well, that all depends.

.... but with Picard on the bridge, even that wouldn't pose much of a threat. Put Vader on the Executor, though, and the Enterprise is going down in flames.

NCC-1701-E, with Picard at the conn? It can take anything the Empire can dish out, and then some. Fast, maneuverable, and packs a punch with its quantum torpedoes and phaser banks. An excellent ship by any account. :-)

Please do not put Vader on the Executor!

Second part of the quote: Natch!

Errr, I really like Picard & if you kill him off I'll never forgive you!

[sokagirl]

Hehheh .. Sorry Barbieq I'm partial to Star Wars so I must choose The Imperial Star Destroyer

[david.atwell]

Hehe. Based upon your username, I'm guessing you're a Star Wars (particularly Leia Organa) fan. I regretfully point your attention to a story by the Daystrom Institute Technical Libraries creator, Graham Kennedy, called "Portal." (No relation to the video game).

In it, he examines a scenario much as you have chosen for your clarified post. Starfleet wins, and he even goes as far as to say that the events would probably work even more in their favor, but that doesn't make for a very tense story. :-P

It can be found here: Foreword | Chapter 1 | Chapter 2 | Chapter 3 | Chapter 4 | Chapter 5 | Chapter 6

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Its supposed to be a monkey face...WHAT HAVE I DONE?! Ah well. And actually I'm pretty impartial to this. I grew up (and am growing up) with both

I shall read the in-depth study of fictional star battles and I thank you for the link!

[Sozo]

Hehe. Based upon your username, I'm guessing you're a Star Wars (particularly Leia Organa) fan. I regretfully point your attention to a story by the Daystrom Institute Technical Libraries creator, Graham Kennedy, called "Portal." (No relation to the video game).

In it, he examines a scenario much as you have chosen for your clarified post. Starfleet wins, and he even goes as far as to say that the events would probably work even more in their favor, but that doesn't make for a very tense story. :-P

It can be found here: Foreword | Chapter 1 | Chapter 2 | Chapter 3 | Chapter 4 | Chapter 5 | Chapter 6

I was about to call you a nerd David, until I realized that I understood everything you said, making me at least equally nerdy.

Oh, and you left Thrawn and Pellaeon off your above list of Imperial commanders, and their two of my favs.

I remember a mod to that old game Star Wars Rebellion (or Supremacy, for our UK members), that added Kirk as a character and put the Enterprise in the rebels fleet. It was lol-worthy.

Personally, I would be partial to the Star Destroyer on this one, just because I really love Star Destroyers, they're epic.

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Thrawn is beyond awesome. I was going to have him commanding a SSD VS the

NCC-1701-E in some sort of thread special. Is it bad to cheer for a bad guy?

[Sozo]

Thrawn is beyond awesome. I was going to have him commanding a SSD VS the

NCC-1701-E in some sort of thread special. Is it bad to cheer for a bad guy?

Not if it's Thrawn. 8)

[david.atwell]

Ahh, see, technically, Thrawn wasn't an Imperial Star Destroyer commander. He was a warlord who pretty much did whatever he wanted. :-) And yes, I forgot Pellaeon, but I haven't read any EU books involving him, so that's why. I also forgot Daala and Drysso, and Ozzel (understandably, he's dead at Vader's hand).

And 0(-.-)0 - your user"name" looks just like Leia with her cinnamon rolls...or maybe Padme Amidala. :-)

EDIT: Sozo, I am a huge Star-X fan. -Wars, -Trek, -Gate...you know the drill. :-P I proudly wear the "geek" medal. But I'm not a nerd. Nerds wear huge glasses and snort when they laugh. :-)

[Lance McKnight]

What about Commander Sisko? He did a heck of a job leading Starfleet against the Dominion and the Cardissa until Cardissa turned against the Dominion.

Edit: As for Star Wars, how can you forget about Admiral Ackbar? He was a genius, even though, he fell into the Emperor's trap in SW: ROTJ.

[david.atwell]

Sisko never commanded the Enterprise, and Ackbar never commanded a Star Destroyer. :-)

[Sozo]

EDIT: Sozo, I am a huge Star-X fan. -Wars, -Trek, -Gate...you know the drill. :-P I proudly wear the "geek" medal. But I'm not a nerd. Nerds wear huge glasses and snort when they laugh. :-)

You're correct, geek is the proper term. Sometimes I get them confused. :wink:

And regarding the above: Ackbar is pretty awesome, but David's correct. He never had a Star Destroyer.

[Lance McKnight]

Thanks for reminding me of that. Duh me.

Here's an interesting thought: what about the Death Star versus the Borg Cube?

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!!! Awesome !!! I've been thinking about making this a weekly event. Each week a new battle.

[jerry533482]

Can you add more polls like this, but with the original series?

[jerry533482]

Try pitting federation starships against one another. That's an idea.

[0(-.-)0]

That is an idea! A good one. I'll think about it.

[jerry533482]

0(-.-)0, I found this awesome pic on the web while reading about Independence Day (the film) that compares famous fictional starships and satellites. Turns out, the executor is 11 miles long!

The pic is here:http://webtwee.net/images/space_comparison_chart_huge.jpeg

Hey Lance McKnight, in case you're curious, the death star is roughly 100 miles in diameter (99.2 mi/160 km; The Death Star II[The Death Star I was 120 km); whereas the Borg assimilation cube is a puny 1.88 miles in diameter for comparison (3040 m, or about 3 km).

I think the Borg have met their match. :twisted:

[sokagirl]

Death Star of course . But hey I'm partial to Star Wars so .. Not to go off topic but McDonalds is having the Star Wars toys in their happy meals starting February 26th ^_^ for all you collectors out there .

[Lance McKnight]

Hey Lance McKnight, in case you're curious, the death star is roughly 100 miles in diameter (99.2 mi/160 km; The Death Star II[The Death Star I was 120 km); whereas the Borg assimilation cube is a puny 1.88 miles in diameter for comparison (3040 m, or about 3 km).

I think the Borg have met their match. :twisted:

Not so fast, my friend. You forget that the Borg has the uncanny ability to adapt at a very rapid pace. They can penetrate shield and scan the system. Size might make a difference, and it may come down to the amount of firepower the Death Star employs, but one mustn't forget it takes time for the Death Star to recharge their death ray whilst the Cube can attack and attack, absorbing as much hit while repairing itself on the fly. If they somehow disable the Death Star's shield, they will beam aboard and start assimilating everyone.

What would be most interesting is how the Borg will handle meeting Darth Vader and the Emperor at the same time. Now, that's an interesting battle to see.

Edit: I remember an espiode on Star Trek: Voyager where the Borg officially met their match in a form of a race that depends on organic technology that was vast superior to the Borg's. If it wasn't for the crew of Voyager, and more specifically the Doctor, and the modification to the nanoprobe the Borg uses to transform people into Borg, the Borg would had utterly been destroyed.

[jerry533482]

Lance, the Death Star can obliterate an entire planet in a single shot. Now I think even the Borg would have a hard time fighting against that. However, if the Borg had backup (a couple cubes), they could probably take out a Death Star with ease. Species 8472 are the only race that could pose an extreme imminent threat to the Death Star with a single starship; and with no sweat.

[Lance McKnight]

Don't think in term of firepower. The single most important thing is the whole picture. In the spirit of this thread, one must take in account of leadership, personnel, and yes, armament is important.

Let see, if the original Death Star, which was commanded by Tarkin went up against an average Borg Cube, then it's the Death Star hands down. Lets assume the Cube, then is commanded by the Borg Queen, I think it's going to be the Cube. Heh, now, if it's the same Cube with the Queen in command going up against the the Death Star that's supervised by Vader, I think it's going to be a drawn out fight. On the other hand, if it's the Emperor and Vader on board going against the Cube with the Queen, that's a tough one to call. Yes, the Death Star is shielded by the forestry moon of Endor, but the Borg could figure it out in a tick and disable it.

Just because the Death Star has the ability to destroy an entire planet (unlikely since it requires enourmous energy to pull it off) doesn't mean it'll do well in a slug fest. First time, it was destroyed by a single fighter piloted by Luke Skywalker, second time, it took a coordinated effort by the Rebel to disable the shield, and then a 1-2 punch by Wedge and Lando to destroy the space station from the inside. If it took a group of very stubborn fighters to take down the Death Star, how then can the Death Star defeat a group of Borg Cube in a combat?

The Borg work together as a giant collective, thinking as one, fighting as one, and if they lose personnel, they simply replenish their strength by assimilating. The Empire often is uncoordinated unless hey have somebody like Thrawn or Vader leading them. The Empire often relies on cloning to keep up with the demand of loss of lives. Then there's the ability of the Borg to transwarp. The Empire still relies on hyperdrive, precise calculation, and the Cube will stick to them like gnat to a sweaty person.

My pick is the Borg Cube.

[Rick Brewster]

Yeah this is basically the same question as "Who would win, Enterprise or the Borg?" which has already been answered many times through numerous TV episodes and a movie.

The size of the Death Star is more likely to be a liability than an asset, especially since it's operated by humans and not rapidly adapting Borg. An attack on one side of Death Star probably wouldn't even be noticed by personnel on the other side of it.

It probably wouldn't be very difficult to steal or find a Klingon Bird of Prey with cloaking. Anything Kirk can do (Star Trek III and IV), Picard can do.

Not to mention the Enterprise has teleporters and could just beam crew into strategic points within the Death Star. They wouldn't have to fire a single external shot.

So ... Enterprise and Picard, hands-down!

[jerry533482]

0(-.-)0, you should really make another thread like this.

Now here's an interesting thought: Vader's TIE fighter vs Kirk's NCC-1701 Enterprise.