Rick Brewster Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Welcome to the official beta for Paint.NET v5.1! There's quite a bit that has changed since the last alpha release (build 8930). I didn't plan on a month-and-a-half long gap between builds, and I was actually hoping to be close to the final/stable release by now, but everything I've been learning about color management and Windows' built-in support for it led me to a few important course corrections. I also implemented some rather dramatic memory usage and performance improvements ☺️ Here's a quick summary of what's new/changed for the beta when compared to the alpha: Massive reductions in memory usage when working with multiple images Greatly improved canvas framerate for lower-tier and integrated GPUs (e.g. Intel UHD/Iris/Xe, AMD Radeon Mobile) Color management for the display now handled by Windows via Advanced Color and Automatic Color Management This means that "Use the display's color profile" has been removed. (Read more below...) Massively Reduced Memory Usage I've been wanting to make this optimization for awhile, but it was a very technically challenging problem and I was never able to make enough progress on it (while also keeping the app stable and reliable, mind you). Thankfully some new pieces of the puzzle recently fell into place which turned this into a very easy problem to solve. I'm happy to report that GPU memory usage when working with multiple images has been massively reduced. See below in the tiny print for the technical details. In addition, earlier in 5.1's development I implemented an optimization that greatly reduced CPU memory usage by up to half. This was done by moving canvas tiles to the GPU instead of copying them. Tiles can be easily recreated, so why keep them around on the CPU? The only real downside is that toggling certain settings, namely "Enable hardware acceleration" and "Windows Advanced Color," will result in a brief flickering of the canvas and other UI elements. The savings are really quite dramatic and should smooth things out a lot for many folks. Let's explore this with some data from 2 scenarios that I tested. For both of these tests I started Paint.NET, maximized the window on my 4K display, and then opened a series of images. Memory usage figures were taken from Task Manager. In the first test, I opened up 50 images that are 6 MP (megapixels) in size (3000 x 2000 pixels). In PDN 5.0.13, the memory usage was 2,527,960 KB on the CPU and 5,818,172 KB on the GPU (about 2.5 GB and 5.8 GB respectively). In the 5.1 Beta, it's down to 1,402,148 KB on the CPU and 2,427,332 KB on the GPU (about 1.40 GB and 2.43 GB respectively). So it's about a 50% reduction overall. This one is more contrived, at least in my opinion, but it shows how much better things are in a more extreme scenario. For this I opened 200 very small images between 16x16 and 64x64 pixels (various icons from the PDN UI). In PDN 5.0.13, the memory usage was 356,772 KB on the CPU and 12,431,560 KB on the GPU (which is about 12.43 gigabytes). In the 5.1 Beta the memory usage on the CPU was down a little bit at 335,044 KB while the GPU memory usage was reduced by over 97% to just 281,188 KB. So depending on how many images you open, and how big they are, you could easily see PDN using 50% less memory on both the CPU and the GPU. Things will be faster and more stable as a result. Enjoy! ☺️ (Technical implementation details for the GPU memory savings: every image you open is hosted by its own child control, or "HWND" in Win32 parlance. In PDN 5.0, each one of these gets its own DXGI swapchain created with IDXGISwapChain2::CreateSwapChainForHwnd(). A "swapchain" holds the pixels that an app is displaying on-screen. Each of these swapchains consumes 8 or 16 bytes per pixel within the canvas area (not 4 or 8 bytes per pixel because there are 2 buffers, "front" and "back"). The swapchain, once created, is glued to the HWND and cannot be removed. In PDN 5.1, I am now using IDXGIFactory::CreateSwapChainForComposition() along with some very light use of DirectComposition. Each image is still in its own HWND but now I can move the swapchain between HWNDs. Thus, I only need 1 swapchain for all opened images! -- although I actually use 2 which eliminates some flickering that was otherwise really difficult to fix.) Greatly Improved Canvas Framerate I'll admit, I was getting a little worried about PDN 5.1's performance during the alpha. It performed perfectly fine on my desktop PC, but it has a top-end CPU and GPU so that's no accomplishment. On my laptops and other test systems, which mostly have Intel iGPUs, I was not able to get anywhere close to the level of PDN 5.0's performance. The canvas still ran at 30+ FPS, so it was still well within what they call "interaction class" performance, but it lacked the refined smoothness that it really ought to have. After some deep performance investigations and completely rethinking and redoing how the canvas is rendered, I'm happy to report that this is completely fixed! Framerates on typical integrated GPUs (which power almost all laptops) are now solidly in the 60+ FPS range. I have also been able to improve performance for when hardware acceleration is not enabled, which should help on systems with very old GPUs that don't support DirectX 11, or when running the app in a virtual machine or other shared environment where a GPU is not available. The ironic thing is that this performance improvement was mostly made by reducing the involvement of the GPU. Paint.NET's color management is now mostly performed on the CPU in background as part of layer composition and mipmap production. Completed tiles are now sent to the GPU in a "presentation ready" format (FP16, scRGB color space). Before, tiles were sent over using the linearized color space from the image, and this required additional color space transforms on the GPU while rendering the canvas. Those are now all gone, and in their place are a nice framerate boost and a reduction in power consumption. Scrolling and zooming are much better now. Display Color Management now handled by Windows In the alpha there was a checkbox in Settings -> Color Management that was labeled "Use the display's color profile." To make use of this you had to be using an SDR display (which most are these days), and you needed a color profile for your display, and you needed to have installed that color profile using the super confusing Color Management control panel. I left this setting disabled by default because I didn't think a lot of people would be able to take advantage of it properly (not without a lot of work anyway), and enabling it by default would've resulted in many people thinking that color in Paint.NET was now "broken". In addition, the code for handling all of this was complex and fragile, and would have been difficult and expensive to maintain going forward. The other checkbox in Settings -> Color Management, "Windows Advanced Color," applied to displays configured for High Dynamic Range (HDR) or Wide Color Gamut (WCG) mode. In this mode, Windows manages color automatically with respect to the display by utilizing the color space information provided via EDID. You don't need to install a color profile or deal with the old school Windows Color Management control panel. The "Use the display's color profile" setting is now gone, leaving only "Windows Advanced Color" (enabled by default). This means that color management for the display in Paint.NET is handled exclusively by Windows, and is only dependent on having configured the display for either High Dynamic Range (HDR) or Wide Color Gamut (WCG) mode. I expect HDR and/or WCG to gradually become the mainstream configuration, leaving SDR as a historical relic (eventually), and so it made no sense to me to keep the complicated code for "Use the display's color profile" given the projected cost of maintaining it. I'd have to rip it out eventually anyway, so why even ship it in the first place? Many people know what HDR is, and in Windows it has a reputation for being finnicky and buggy. Complaints about "washed out colors" are common when enabling HDR, and this is actually a complicated and difficult color calibration problem. HDR mode works very well ... if your PC manufacturer calibrates and configures things correctly, or if you spend several hours fiddling with the color settings on your display. My Lenovo P16 laptop works great in this mode, but every other system and display I have has a lot of difficulty with it. WCG has not gotten a lot of attention (yet?), and does not seem to have the problems that HDR mode does. WCG is actually a new variant of SDR mode introduced in Windows 11 (you can also use it on HDR displays). In WCG mode, Windows will use 10-bit output (or 8-bit with dithering) and enable Automatic Color Management just like it does in HDR mode. Starting with Windows 11 v24H2, most SDR displays can use WCG mode as long as the GPU is modern enough (see here for requirements). You can think of WCG in two ways: it's either HDR without the extended brightness range and bugginess, or it's like SDR mode but with high bit-depth output, Automatic Color Management, and access to the display's full color gamut (its full range of colors) (btw, SDR mode is always limited to 8-bit output, regardless of any settings in the GPU's vendor-specific control panel). The revamped Color Management page in Settings now has instructions for enabling HDR or WCG mode: So, in summary, there's one checkbox in Paint.NET for enabling color management for the display, and there's one checkbox in Windows Display Settings for enabling either HDR or WCG mode. That's it. And if you have a display running in SDR mode you will still benefit from color management operating in "sRGB mode", so colors will at least look consistent across images even if your display isn't calibrated. Download and Install This build is available via the built-in updater as long as you have opted-in to pre-release updates. From within Settings -> Updates, enable "Also check for pre-release (beta) versions of paint.net" and then click on the Check Now button. You can also use the links below to download an offline installer or portable ZIP. You can also download the installer here (for any supported CPU and OS), which is also where you can find downloads for offline installers, portable ZIPs, and deployable MSIs. Change Log Changes since 5.1 alpha build 8930: Improved: GPU memory usage when working with multiple images has been massively reduced Greatly improved performance (framerate) for the canvas on integrated and lower-tier GPUs Removed: Settings -> Color Management -> "Use the display's color profile." Color management with respect to the display is now handled exclusively by Windows and requires a display configured for High Dynamic Range (HDR) or Wide Color Gamut (WCG). Improved: Windows Advanced Color is now used for the Colors and Layers window, as well as for image thumbnails at the top of the main window. They are no longer limited to sRGB and can display the full range of colors defined by each image's embedded color profile. New: Effects -> Render -> Clouds now has a tab for configuring the colors used for rendering New: Effect plugins are now provided "managed" environmental colors (primary, secondary, palettes). You can use these with IndirectUI by using a ManagedColorProperty (for a color wheel UI), and you can use them to render with Direct2D with the ManagedColor.Get(IDeviceContext) instance method. Changed: the minimum OS requirement is now Windows 10 v21H2 (it used to be Windows 10 v1809) Updated: The bundled AVIF FileType plugin has been updated to version 3.9.1 (thanks @null54!) Updated: The bundled DDS FileType Plus plugin has been updated to version 1.12.9 (thanks @null54!) 2 3 4 The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted August 2 Author Share Posted August 2 BTW this was a lot to write up, and I'm not sure if I explained things well enough. It's a beta release, and these release notes should also be considered "beta" Feel free to leave feedback and questions regarding HDR, WCG, Advanced Color, Automatic Color Management, how to get HDR/WCG enabled, etc. 1 The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frio Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 (edited) On the beta version, updates of shaped tools on the canvas are sluggish (shapes, lines, selections). It's like the updates are a couple frames behind the actual mouse cursor movement. Drawing with a brush tool seems instant. This is of course not a big deal in practice - the shapes will catch up to the cursor eventually and end up where they're meant to be - but it feels a little off compared to how it was in the previous versions, I figured I'd report it just in case it's related to something else behind the scenes. It's visible on this gyazo clip, even though my unpaid version can record only 30 fps, it's more noticeable at native screen refresh rate of 60: https://i.gyazo.com/8f4b9d3a57692844afb23401c3bcaede.mp4 Edit: changing vertical sync in Nvidia control panel from the default "application controlled" to "force off" makes it much less noticeable, but not entirely gone. Hardware acceleration is enabled, 3080 GPU, diagnostic specs here: Spoiler Application paint.net 5.1 (β 5.100.8980.32680) Build Date perjantai 2. elokuuta 2024 Expiration Date perjantai 25. lokakuuta 2024 Install type Classic Language en-US Scaling 1.25x (120 DPI) UI/Canvas GPU True Rendering GPU 🚀 Performance (NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080) Advanced Color True Remote Session False Battery Saver False Animations True Translucent Windows True Windows Ink False OS Windows 11 Home x64 (10.0.22631.0) Runtime .NET 8.0.7 x64 Physical Memory 65 277 MB (35 905 MB free) Paging File 69 373 MB (29 463 MB free) CPU 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-13700K Speed ~3418 MHz Cores / Threads 16 / 24 Features SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4_1, SSE4_2, AVX, AVX2 Display 1 Name Generic PnP Monitor Connected to NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Resolution 1920 x 1080, 10-bit, 60 Hz DPI 120 (1.25x scale) Coordinates (L=0, T=0, R=1920, B=1080) Advanced Color StandardDynamicRange SDR white level 80 nits Color space 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C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\samcli.dll, version=10.0.22621.1 (WinBuild.160101.0800) SAMLIB.dll C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\SAMLIB.dll, version=10.0.22621.3672 (WinBuild.160101.0800) ntmarta.dll C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ntmarta.dll, version=10.0.22621.1 (WinBuild.160101.0800) Edited August 3 by frio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDP Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 Minor issue, really. Only Documentation, Send feedback... and the About items in the Help menu do anything Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactilis Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 1 hour ago, BDP said: Only Documentation, Send feedback... and the About items in the Help menu do anything Agreed. The following do not work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactilis Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 2 hours ago, frio said: On the beta version, updates of shaped tools on the canvas are sluggish (shapes, lines, selections). It's like the updates are a couple frames behind the actual mouse cursor movement. ...the shapes will catch up to the cursor eventually and end up where they're meant to be - but it feels a little off compared to how it was in the previous versions, I figured I'd report it just in case it's related to something else behind the scenes. I concur with @frio's observation. The easiest way to see the difference is to make a rectangular selection and move the mouse around as you are drawing it. The corner of the selection boundary lags behind the mouse pointer significantly more in 5.1 beta compared to 5.0.13. The selection corner catches up when you cease moving the mouse but this takes longer in 5.1 beta. 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Rick Brewster Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 @frio and @Tactilis, it looks like you're both using Windows 11 v24H2 (which is good). You're both also running your display in SDR mode. Does anything change if you follow the directions I put in Settings -> Color Management for enabling either HDR or WCG mode? It's worth checking this because the rendering paths are slightly different for SDR mode versus Advanced Color HDR/WCG mode. I've been doing most of my testing in WCG mode and have not been seeing this, so hopefully it's just an easy tweak on the SDR side. The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 1 hour ago, BDP said: Minor issue, really. Only Documentation, Send feedback... and the About items in the Help menu do anything Brian 23 minutes ago, Tactilis said: Agreed. The following do not work. I can confirm as well. Should be an easy fix. The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frio Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Rick Brewster said: it looks like you're both using Windows 11 v24H2 I'm not actually, 23H2 here and no WCG. Microsoft hasn't offered me 24H2, it's still in preview? If I enable HDR mode, paint.net acknownledges that and shows "Windows advanced color" being enabled in settings but there is no difference in the input lag. Edited August 3 by frio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 4 minutes ago, frio said: ...but there is no difference in the input lag. Okay, that's at least another data point. So either the issue is there no matter what, and I'm just not seeing it on my systems for some reason (my desktop is run at 120Hz, that might affect it), or maybe it only doesn't affect 24H2. 24H2 is no longer in preview and is apparently rolling out in 3 waves. The first wave is already underway, it's being installed brand new PCs -- at least the new ARM/Copilot+ ones. The second wave is in September, and then another one in October will complete it. I have it because I enabled Windows Insider Builds with the Release Preview channel, and then it still didn't offer it so I downloaded the ISO (from Microsoft) and installed it that way. If you really want it, go for it, I can lead you through it. But, it's also fine to just wait. The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_koh_ Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 Yeah, compared rectangle selector to 5.0.13 in 23H2 HDR mode. While it's not problematic, the lag difference is noticeable. edit: Maybe "noticeable" isn't a proper term. I meant I can see the difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 Here's something you can all do that might get me some more useful data. First, find a location where you can save a file -- maybe just in your documents folder. We need the actual path for it, e.g. C:\Users\rick\Documents Start paint.net with Run (either WinKey+R, or right-click on Start and choose Run near the bottom) by typing paintdotnet:/enableTracing:C:\Users\rick\Documents\pdn.trace -- but customize the path to your actual Documents folder, or the folder you chose If using the portable version then you'd open a command prompt, change to the directory ("cd") where you have paintdotnet.exe, and then run that same command with a slightly different syntax: paintdotnet.exe /enableTracing:C:\Users\rick\Documents\pdn.trace Next, recreate the issue for a few seconds, and then exit the app. Then, put the pdn.trace file into a ZIP and post it here. I recently added some tracing events to the renderer that might help me see what's happening here. Edit: changed equals sign to a colon in /enableTracing: The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 btw you can view the trace file yourself. In Chrome, open a tab and navigate to chrome://tracing, and then drag-and-drop the pdn.trace file into it. It's a weird, old school, clumsy UI but it works The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 Okay I can definitely see the input lag that y'all are reporting -- even at 120Hz. It was only noticeable once I looked for it, but I've seen this before (like a long time ago) when I tried enabling VSync in the code. Enabling VSync in the rendering code for 5.1 Beta solved some performance issues I was seeing on a low-end GPU, but I may just need to tackle that in a different way. The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frio Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 15 minutes ago, Rick Brewster said: Start paint.net with Run (either WinKey+R, or right-click on Start and choose Run near the bottom) by typing paintdotnet:/enableTracing=C:\Users\rick\Documents\pdn.trace -- but customize the path to your actual Documents folder, or the folder you chose If using the portable version then you'd open a command prompt, change to the directory ("cd") where you have paintdotnet.exe, and then run that same command with a slightly different syntax: paintdotnet.exe /enableTracing=C:\Users\rick\Documents\pdn.trace Dunno if it's relevant anymore if you can see it yourself too, but I tried both of these but no file is created regardless which directory I choose, I made sure to choose ones my account has full control on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 21 minutes ago, frio said: Dunno if it's relevant anymore if you can see it yourself too, but I tried both of these but no file is created regardless which directory I choose, I made sure to choose ones my account has full control on. I forgot to mention ... if the path has spaces in it, you'll need to use quote marks "" around it. Or, choose a location without spaces (I usually use c:\temp\pdn.trace ) The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 Wait, no, I just gave you the wrong way of doing the setting 🤦♂️ (although the quotes are still necessary if there are spaces) Instead of /enableTracing= it needs to be /enableTracing: ... instead of an equals sign, use a colon The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frio Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Rick Brewster said: Instead of /enableTracing= it needs to be /enableTracing: ... instead of an equals sign, use a colon 10-4, what I did was drag around a box shape on the canvas, then a line, then a selection (all of those look laggy) and finally drew a stroke with the brush tool inside the selection (that is not noticeably laggy). pdn.zip Edited August 3 by frio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactilis Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 2 hours ago, Rick Brewster said: @frio and @Tactilis, it looks like you're both using Windows 11 v24H2 (which is good). I'm also on 23H2, not 24, with all cumulative updates installed. Here's the trace while drawing a rectangular selection and moving the mouse around: pdn.zip 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 Okay it's what I expected, IDXGISwapChain::Present1() is waiting on VSync and it's just holding up the UI thread a lot. At 120+ Hz you won't really notice it unless you look for it, but it's still adding input lag at any refresh rate. You're both at 60Hz so the effect will be very noticeable. I'll post a new build in a bit that changes this up. I may even add some temporary settings to let you play around with a few different ways of implementing vsync (as well as vsync off). The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactilis Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 5 hours ago, Tactilis said: BTW, there is an avoidable clash of shortcut letters in the Help menu: 'paint.net Website' and 'Plugins' Maybe the first of those could be changed to 'paint.net Website' Also, 'Send feedback or bug report...' is missing a shortcut. Perhaps 'Send feedback or bug report...' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted August 5 Author Share Posted August 5 Alright I’m still working on the input lag issue. It’s actually easy to solve if you are okay with tearing (vsync off and DXGI_SWAP_CHAIN_FLAG_ALLOW_TEARING https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/dxgi/ne-dxgi-dxgi_swap_chain_flag). Almost. This build (8980) is using double buffering, and what I’m finding is that I actually need not just triple buffering, but quadruple and maybe even 5x buffering. This is to ensure that a Present operation does not ever block and therefore cause lag. And then this causes window resizing to be very slow and cranky, so I have to drop down to double buffering in that case, at which point there is some flickering …. agggh 😂 Flip mode is really tricky to code for but I think I’ve almost got it all figured out. 1 The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted August 6 Author Share Posted August 6 Okay I've got everything figured out and fixed up, I just need to do another round of testing to validate I didn't break some niche/corner case (e.g. @toe_head2001 had weird input lag on his AMD card at some point). The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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