Colonel_Gerdauf Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 My installation of PDN, being the Windows Store version, is by itself version 5.09. Yet, I had just noticed that the core libraries in `C:\Users\<user>\Documents\paint.net app files\Effects\` appeared stuck in the PDN 4.0 era. I noticed this when I saw a spam of plugin errors where many plugins failed to find `PaintDotNet.Base.dll 5.03...` as the minimum, and that lead me to hunt down those base files. I have manually updated the files with the help of the latest portable edition. I wonder: does PDN update those DLL's, and if so, what could have happened to make the update not work on my end? I do not recall having downloaded any plugins that came with those now-outdated libraries. And the latest plugins I have installed were explicitly for the 5.x version anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Rick Brewster Posted September 2 Solution Share Posted September 2 Paint.NET does not update those files because they should not be there in the first place. You should never ever have PaintDotNet.*.dll's in your effects or other plugin directories. It can really break things, as you're seeing. You should just delete them. The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel_Gerdauf Posted September 3 Author Share Posted September 3 If that is the case, how and why are they there? Looking back at the plugins I had installed, none of them came with these libraries. Either way, thanks for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 I don't know, but you or something you clicked on put them there. Paint.NET itself will never put files in there. The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ego Eram Reputo Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 12 hours ago, Colonel_Gerdauf said: If that is the case, how and why are they there? Looking back at the plugins I had installed, none of them came with these libraries. You can use the Plugin Index to identify which plugin a DLL belongs to. Type the DLL name into the Keyword Search and set the filters to All Types Any Status Any version ebook: Mastering Paint.NET | resources: Plugin Index | Stereogram Tut | proud supporter of Codelab plugins: EER's Plugin Pack | Planetoid | StickMan | WhichSymbol+ | Dr Scott's Markup Renderer | CSV Filetype | dwarf horde plugins: Plugin Browser | ShapeMaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDP Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 The first thing I do after updating PDN is to look for any Plugin errors. If I can, I fix them by downloading an updated Plugin - if I can't, I delete them, and wait for a Plugin update to be posted Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel_Gerdauf Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 (edited) It appears that the Vandermotten plugins as well as a few from BoltBait are whining about the lack of the libraries. Edited September 10 by Colonel_Gerdauf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoltBait Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 11 minutes ago, Colonel_Gerdauf said: a few from from BoltBait are whining about the lack of the libraries ?! None of my plugins should be complaining. Details please. Download: BoltBait's Plugin Pack | CodeLab | and a Computer Dominos Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel_Gerdauf Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 I am honestly clueless about what is happening here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toe_head2001 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 Please post the diagnostic information found within paint.net. Settings -> Diagnostics -> Copy to clipboard. (September 25th, 2023) Sorry about any broken images in my posts. I am aware of the issue. My Gallery | My Plugin Pack Layman's Guide to CodeLab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel_Gerdauf Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 Application paint.net 5.0 (Stable 5.0.8410.34435) Build Date Tuesday, 10 January, 2023 Install type Appx Language: en-US DPI 96 (1.00x scale) UI/Canvas GPU True Rendering GPU 🚀 Performance (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070) Remote session False Animations True Translucent windows True Windows Ink True OS Windows 10 Pro x64 (10.0.19042.0) Runtime .NET 7.0.2 x64 Physical Memory 65'411 MB CPU Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6600K CPU @ 3.50GHz Speed ~3504 MHz Cores / Threads 4 / 4 Features SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4_1, SSE4_2, AVX, AVX2 Pointer Virtual Multitouch Device Type ExternalPen Contacts 1 Pointer Tablet Monitor Type IntegratedPen Contacts 1 Video Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Dedicated Video RAM 8'081 MB Dedicated System RAM 0 MB Shared System RAM 32'705 MB Vendor ID 0x10DE Device ID 0x1B81 Subsystem ID 0x37011458 Revision 161 LUID 0x0001187C Flags AcgCompatible, SupportMonitoredFences, KeyedMutexConformance Graphics Preemption PixelBoundary Compute Preemption DispatchBoundary Outputs 3 Feature Level Level_12_1 Features Doubles, ComputeShadersEtc DXGI Formats A8_UNorm, B8G8R8A8_UNorm, R16G16B16A16_UNorm, R16G16B16A16_Float, R32G32B32A32_Float Buffer Precisions UInt8Normalized, UInt8NormalizedSrgb, UInt16Normalized, Float16, Float32 Maximum Bitmap Size 16384 Video Card Intel(R) HD Graphics 530 Dedicated Video RAM 128 MB Dedicated System RAM 0 MB Shared System RAM 32'705 MB Vendor ID 0x8086 Device ID 0x1912 Subsystem ID 0xD0001458 Revision 6 LUID 0x00012599 Flags AcgCompatible, SupportMonitoredFences, KeyedMutexConformance Graphics Preemption TriangleBoundary Compute Preemption ThreadBoundary Outputs 0 Feature Level Level_12_1 Features Doubles, ComputeShadersEtc DXGI Formats A8_UNorm, B8G8R8A8_UNorm, R16G16B16A16_UNorm, R16G16B16A16_Float, R32G32B32A32_Float Buffer Precisions UInt8Normalized, UInt8NormalizedSrgb, UInt16Normalized, Float16, Float32 Maximum Bitmap Size 16384 Video Card Microsoft Basic Render 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Rick Brewster Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 7 minutes ago, Colonel_Gerdauf said: Application paint.net 5.0 (Stable 5.0.8410.34435) You're using an old version. Install the latest update. See, this is why we have a big loud "MAKE SURE YOU'RE USING THE LATEST VERSION" at the top of this forum. Because this sort of thing just wastes everyone's time. The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toe_head2001 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 10 minutes ago, Colonel_Gerdauf said: Application paint.net 5.0 (Stable 5.0.8410.34435) Build Date Tuesday, 10 January, 2023 Install type Appx This is a pretty old version of Paint.NET. You should go into the Microsoft Store, and check for updates. If it doesn't update, perhaps you'll need to log into the Microsoft Store. 10 minutes ago, Colonel_Gerdauf said: OS Windows 10 Pro x64 (10.0.19042.0) This is now an unsupported version of Windows 10. (unsupported by Microsoft) You really need to run Windows Update. (September 25th, 2023) Sorry about any broken images in my posts. I am aware of the issue. My Gallery | My Plugin Pack Layman's Guide to CodeLab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel_Gerdauf Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 That gets into a fundamental difficulty and awkward situation for me. I am unable to run windows update, as my system "accepts" updates to install, but completely rejects them post-install, forcefully reverting after installation. Likewise, I have been having issues even opening Microsoft Store to check for updates. The ability to update anything, even win32, is sporadic and there is little I can do about it. I am stuck in this problematic situation, and I have been having limited at best luck in resolving my issue(s) that would lead to an outdated install. If there is a way via executebles to update the apps, I am all ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 Sorry, but it sounds like you have much bigger problems with your Windows installation, and we simply do not have the expertise or time to help with that. You may just need to reinstall Windows, or use the "Reset this PC" functionality (which you can find with a quick search in the start menu). The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toe_head2001 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 You could also try using the Windows 10 Update Assistant. I've seen that tool work successfully when Windows Update when failed. (September 25th, 2023) Sorry about any broken images in my posts. I am aware of the issue. My Gallery | My Plugin Pack Layman's Guide to CodeLab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel_Gerdauf Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 I have already tried Update Assistant, but that had not helped me. My issue is where it almost completes install of the update, but at the end of the last stage says "oh sorry, we cannot do that. We are reverting everything we just did". I have too many valuable files to lose by reinstallation, and not to mention a major disruption to my workflow while I try to get everything back to how I want it. So, as stupid is it may sound, reinstallation is out of the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ego Eram Reputo Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 5 minutes ago, Colonel_Gerdauf said: reinstallation is out of the picture. Unfortunately we cannot help you. You'll need to find your own way to update Windows. 1 ebook: Mastering Paint.NET | resources: Plugin Index | Stereogram Tut | proud supporter of Codelab plugins: EER's Plugin Pack | Planetoid | StickMan | WhichSymbol+ | Dr Scott's Markup Renderer | CSV Filetype | dwarf horde plugins: Plugin Browser | ShapeMaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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