LFC4EVER Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 The following idea may be a really good idea, or it may be a really bad idea, but i'll run it by you guys to get some opinions. Basically, my idea is for effects to be shown in multiple columns when you have many effects. To see what i mean, take a look at the image below. The left part (shown in blue) is what happens to the "All Programs" bit of the start menu, when you have quite a number of application/programs. The right part (in red) shows PDN in the distorts menu, with scrolling arrows (thats what i call them). I think it would be much easier and more productive to use PDN if the effects were shown as in the windows style (left part), as you don't need to scroll to find the effect. Quote ☆★☆★Merry Christmas★☆★☆ .::.My Gallery.::.Make Gold Text!.::. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrddin Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 I agree. I've always voted for automatic scrolling when you land your cursor on the scrolling-arrows, but your suggestion works even better. Two columns wouldn't obscure anything that the one column does already, so no screen real-estate would be sacrificed. Quote How to Save Your Images under Different File Types My dA Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blooper Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 I think it's a good idea as well. I'd be surprised if no one had thought of it before though... Well, It'd be a nice surprise. Quote http://synthastic.deviantart.com http://soundcloud.com/siderealenterprise Lockerz invites are available, PM me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJXD Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Wouldnt it end up being three columns? 1st for the types (distort, render, object, photo) 2nd for the plugins 3rd for the overload of plugins Quote |My Sig Tut| Deviant Art |Advanced Grunge Texture|My Gallery The Birthplace of Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bEPIK Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Wouldn't organising effects be better? "Ability to organize/manage effects -- This one's interesting. Now that there are so many plugins available, people now need the ability to organize them, like into sub-menus or something. Will probably make it into a 3.x0 release (3.20? 3.50?) " Now I'm not saying your idea is bad, but considering that you might be able to organise your effects in a 3.x release it would just slow Rick down. Effect menus a bit larger than the floating windows would be very nice, much better than 3 columns. But it could work well if your submenus are huge, it might look a bit ugly though. Also that could be fixed by menus inside menus with the current plan (the ability to organise effects). So I reckon it's a no-go, unless it's quick and easy to implement of course. Quote Water, Wood and Hair Tutorial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrochild Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Wouldn't organising effects be better? No, both would be better. But multi-column would probably be easier/faster/not-as-much-testing-needed than the ability to organize the effects."Ability to organize/manage effects -- This one's interesting. Now that there are so many plugins available, people now need the ability to organize them, like into sub-menus or something. Will probably make it into a 3.x0 release (3.20? 3.50?) " If I were a betting man, I'd say that's not going to make it into 3.x after all. Much more likely to see it in 4.x. But I've been shown to be wrong many times before, so don't be too surprised if I am this time, too. Quote ambigram signature by Kemaru [i write plugins and stuff] If you like a post, upvote it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ego Eram Reputo Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 I like this idea, but three or even four columns are going to be needed in some cases. I mentioned another idea recently (here). Why not give a submenu to each of the major plug-in developers? Quote ebook: Mastering Paint.NET | resources: Plugin Index | Stereogram Tut | proud supporter of Codelab plugins: EER's Plugin Pack | Planetoid | StickMan | WhichSymbol+ | Dr Scott's Markup Renderer | CSV Filetype | dwarf horde plugins: Plugin Browser | ShapeMaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Brown Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Why not give a submenu to each of the major plug-in developers? At least in that case people would instantly know which submenu my plugins are in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ego Eram Reputo Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Actually you were one of my examples! Quote ebook: Mastering Paint.NET | resources: Plugin Index | Stereogram Tut | proud supporter of Codelab plugins: EER's Plugin Pack | Planetoid | StickMan | WhichSymbol+ | Dr Scott's Markup Renderer | CSV Filetype | dwarf horde plugins: Plugin Browser | ShapeMaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrochild Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Why not give a submenu to each of the major plug-in developers? That is a terrible idea. People don't want to have to remember the author of the effect they are looking for just to use it, they should look in a submenu that is relevant to what they are doing. The word "pyrochild" is not helpful to someone who is trying to smudge their image, "Distort" is. "BoltBait" is completely useless for someone who is trying to feather their edges, and "Simon Brown" is just a random arrangement of letters to someone who is trying to draw with a custom brush. The name of the author is only relevant to the programmer's ego, really. Quote ambigram signature by Kemaru [i write plugins and stuff] If you like a post, upvote it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrochild Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 As an after-thought, it could be helpful to sort by author's name, but only if there was a quick and easy way to sort by other things as well. Name, Category, Date Last Updated, Author, Version Number (if you wanted to be able to have multiple versions of a plugin installed), etc... Quote ambigram signature by Kemaru [i write plugins and stuff] If you like a post, upvote it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJXD Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 I would like to see that idea go ahead. It would certainly help long time users, although i dont know about new users, navigating might be tricky. Paint.NET is praised for its easy navigation, this might give it some bad reviews Quote |My Sig Tut| Deviant Art |Advanced Grunge Texture|My Gallery The Birthplace of Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJXD Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 As an after-thought, it could be helpful to sort by author's name, but only if there was a quick and easy way to sort by other things as well. Name, Category, Date Last Updated, Author, Version Number (if you wanted to be able to have multiple versions of a plugin installed), etc... I said something along the same lines here. It would be a great improvement to paint.NET's UI if this happened Quote |My Sig Tut| Deviant Art |Advanced Grunge Texture|My Gallery The Birthplace of Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Brown Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 A problem is that if effects were put into sub-menus by author there would either be a huge menu under "Rick Brewster" or confusion over why "Find Edges" is under "Simon Brown" and not "Artistic". There would also be the problem plugins implemented before the change of which the author didn't bother to fill in their name under "Assembly Information". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 I'm more convinced that changing the way the menu is presented or organized is a bad idea. What we really just need is Spotlight-for-Paint.NET. Imagine there was a little text box next to the "Help" menu. The shortcut key would be Ctrl+E. So, press Ctrl+E and then type BoltBait ... instantly a dropdown list would fill with anything that matched that text. In this case, assuming BoltBait tagged his plugins with his name all his plugins would show up. Or you could type "Distort" for any plugin from the distort menu (or that had the word "distort" in any of its description or metadata). etc. Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 No typing for me Mouse wheel on bookmark in Firefox please. Quote All creations Ash + Paint.NET [ Googlepage | deviantArt | Club PDN | PDN Fan ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blooper Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 No typing for me either. Quote http://synthastic.deviantart.com http://soundcloud.com/siderealenterprise Lockerz invites are available, PM me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oma Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 no typing for me either. you have to be able to spell correctly and I'm probably the worlds worst at spelling. Quote My Deviant Art Gallery Oma's Paint.Net gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.atwell Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 I like the idea of the Spotlight search box. I need that. But I don't see any reason why the scroll wheel couldn't be added, also...at least, not from a usability standpoint. I don't know how hard that would be to code.... Quote The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster, or a warrior... A nameless, terrible thing, soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it, or reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.Amy: But how did it end up in there?The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.River Song: I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyrochild Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 I don't know how hard that would be to code.... 20 seconds to write.... 2 minutes to test.... an hour for beta testers to report results.... Quote ambigram signature by Kemaru [i write plugins and stuff] If you like a post, upvote it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bEPIK Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 An hour, 2 minutes and twenty seconds for a worthwhile feature. Seems reasonable. Quote Water, Wood and Hair Tutorial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 I like that idea as well. I get lost in my plugins, and being lazy as I am, it would be better if I didn't have to comb around for one. Quote Create A Professional-Looking Product Advertisment Mockup flickr | Deviant Art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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