stefanob Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 I have just updated to version 4.3.4 and when I use the Text tool, if I don't change the default font (Calibri) everything works but if I try to change the font, Paint.NET takes 100% CPU (multi core CPU!!!) and I have to kill it. It is enough to open the font combobox to have this effect. I have uninstalled Paint and reinstalled it but nothing changes, I can't change font. My OS is Windows 10 pro 64bit v1607 (I can't update for compatibility issues). Any suggestion to solve this problem? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixey Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Hello @stefanob and welcome I can't reproduce this myself in 4.3.4. Are you saying it 'hangs' so that you have to kill it? Quote How I made Jennifer & Halle in Paint.net My Gallery | My Deviant Art "Rescuing one animal may not change the world, but for that animal their world is changed forever!" anon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red ochre Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Hello and welcome from me too @stefanob I too had some very strange 'hangs' after updating to 4.3.4 - I had to keep using the task manager to kill pdn.😒 However when you actually leave it to run without trying to do anything it eventually sorts itself out. The next time you open the program it loads quickly and doesn't hang. I believe it is doing loads of background stuff when first loaded after installation and appears usable when it isn't really ready... Also check settings for any plugin load errors, many effects need updating for this version. A reboot may help too. Hope that helps. Quote Red ochre Plugin pack.............. Diabolical Drawings ................Real Paintings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanob Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 Hello Pixey and thanks for your reply. I attach a (low quality) video to show what is happening. When Paint.NET is at 100% CPU all I can do is to kill it in task manager because it is not responsive, I mean it does not hang but it is unusable. paint.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanob Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 Hello Red ochre and thanks for your reply. I had a plugin, ReplaceColors; I removed it but nothing change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewDavid Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 On 12/10/2021 at 6:25 AM, stefanob said: Any suggestion to solve this problem? Greetings @stefanob Where do you have your fonts installed? Do you see fonts in Settings\Fonts? Can you use fonts in another application? (Wordpad or Notepad) Download and install a font to see what happens when you install a font. https://www.dafont.com/ If it installs, see if you can see it in Paint. Fonts is a windows setting. Not a Paint setting. Paint can only use those fonts that are installed to windows. One of these questions should reveal the trouble. Not updating Windows could be the issue as well. Good Luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanob Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 Hello AndrewDavid, thanks for your suggestions. My fonts are installed in C:\WINDOWS\Fonts and in the Settings I have not found a Font menu but in the Tools menu, in the Text section (see image) there is a font combobox that behave in the same manner as the one in the main Paint.NET interface: if I open it, Paint takes 100% CPU. In other application (Word) I can use fonts without problems. I have downloaded and installed a font and I can see it both in Paint than in Word (but Paint takes 100% CPU...) I hope that the problem is not not updating Windows. I have this problem only witn this last version of Paint, now I look for the previous one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewDavid Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, stefanob said: I have not found a Font menu Paint has been updated to the newest version of .Net (6.0). I call it keeping up with the Jones. If you update an app, you usually have to update the OS as well. Your last resource is https://filehippo.com/ where you can find an older version of Paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixey Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 4 hours ago, stefanob said: attach a (low quality) video to show what is happening. You seem to have an awful lot of other applications running at the same time, which may be interfering with paint.net. Try stopping them and use only paint.net to see if it makes a difference. Quote How I made Jennifer & Halle in Paint.net My Gallery | My Deviant Art "Rescuing one animal may not change the world, but for that animal their world is changed forever!" anon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanob Posted December 13, 2021 Author Share Posted December 13, 2021 I have installed .NET 6.0 but it did not solved the problem. Now I have installed Paint.NET 4.0.20 and things are better even if in reality the problem persists. Now I can change font and go on working but the CPU usage goes to 25-30%; since I have a 4 cores CPU, I suspect that Paint 4.0 is not a multi-core application while 4.3 is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 If you can easily reproduce the problem, would you mind using the portable version of 4.3.4 and creating a performance trace for me? That would pinpoint where the CPU time is being spent Also, 4.0 is definitely a highly multithreaded app too. It always has been. Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewDavid Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 I take it you have Windows Update turned off. I wonder how many you have missed. I think that's the real issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanob Posted December 14, 2021 Author Share Posted December 14, 2021 Hello Rick, I have done what you asked and I have sent you a performance trace, I hope this can help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanob Posted December 14, 2021 Author Share Posted December 14, 2021 Hi Andrew, yes, I have turned off Windows Update and my operating system is stuck to version 1607 so I have missed a lot. Im not happy about this but I need an old MICROSOFT application that I was not able to run in newer OS versions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewDavid Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 I feel your Pain @stefanob. I have an old game that only runs in 640X480. I never could get it to work in Win10. It was called Sudden Strike. The origins of what we now know as World of Tanks. What pray tell is the name of the Microsoft app that you can't run in Win 10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanob Posted December 14, 2021 Author Share Posted December 14, 2021 @AndrewDavid the app is Windows Mobile Device Center, I use it to connect MS Visual Studio 2008 (another dinosaur...) to an HMI running Windows Embedded Compact 7 to debug in real time CE applications. We are abandoning Windows CE but sometimes I still need to work on those software. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Rick Brewster Posted December 14, 2021 Solution Share Posted December 14, 2021 So I looked at the trace you sent me, @stefanob and it's definitely using a lot of CPU time in the CreateFontPreview method (i.o.w. it's not some other red herring) The highlights for the table and graph are synchronized (that's how WPA works). My CreateFontPreview method is using DirectWrite to render text, and it's spending almost all (99.83%) of its time in a function called VariationInterpolator::AccumulateInterpolatedTupleDeltas. So, something about font "variations" is causing this. I searched for that function name and I found this, https://github.com/microsoft/cascadia-code/issues/319 . Someone was having performance problems with Visual Studio, on Windows Server v1607 (same as Win10 v1607), after installing the Cascadia font. I recommend reading through that issue, they may have some insight for you. However, ultimately, you need to install your Windows Updates, as this has probably been fixed. You may also have installed some fonts with "variations" (not sure what that is), and you might be able to uninstall/disable them to get performance working again. Or maybe just install a newer version of them (maybe it's the Cascadia font; that link is in the GitHub repo for it, they probably have a newer release). Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanob Posted December 15, 2021 Author Share Posted December 15, 2021 @Rick Brewster BINGO!!!! I have removed the Cascadia font and the problem is solved! I don't remember when I installed that font, but not recently, so I don't understand why the problem has appeared just now. Thank you very much Rick for your support!! Best regards! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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