LoudSilence Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 I have 2 desktops as seen here: I opened paint.net on one desktop, changed desktops, then opened paint.net and paint.net just crashed. This happened twice. (3rd and 4th time it stopped, only first 2 times?) It looked like this for about 5 minutes: Quote PDN Discord Server Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANONYMISS Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 In this one the ambiguity is strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ego Eram Reputo Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 How many plugins have you got installed? Quote ebook: Mastering Paint.NET | resources: Plugin Index | Stereogram Tut | proud supporter of Codelab plugins: EER's Plugin Pack | Planetoid | StickMan | WhichSymbol+ | Dr Scott's Markup Renderer | CSV Filetype | dwarf horde plugins: Plugin Browser | ShapeMaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoltBait Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Since Paint.NET only allows 1 copy to be open at once, and if a second copy is started it simply makes the first copy active...  I assume that because Paint.NET is already running, just on a desktop that isn't visible, the second copy of Paint.NET fails to activate the first copy because the first copy isn't on the active desktop.  I'm curious what the proper behavior would be in this case:  Error message mentioning that it is already running, just on a different virtual desktop Activate the first desktop so that Paint.NET could be shown Silent failure (do nothing, just exit) Quote Download: BoltBait's Plugin Pack | CodeLab | and a Free Computer Dominos Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudSilence Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 @BoltBait Actually, the 3rd and 4th times i was replicating it, it actually automatically switched to the other desktop. Video showing all my plugins as @Ego Eram Reputo asked for:https://i.imgur.com/Rtc0EkB.mp4 Video of it automatically switching desktops:https://i.imgur.com/9hadUCE.mp4 Quote PDN Discord Server Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ego Eram Reputo Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, LoudSilence said: Video showing all my plugins as @Ego Eram Reputo asked for:  It looks like you have quite a few installed. This is the #1 reason for a delay when PDN opens (i.e. not responding as per your second image). Try renaming your /Effects/ folder and see if it changes startup behavour.   Quote ebook: Mastering Paint.NET | resources: Plugin Index | Stereogram Tut | proud supporter of Codelab plugins: EER's Plugin Pack | Planetoid | StickMan | WhichSymbol+ | Dr Scott's Markup Renderer | CSV Filetype | dwarf horde plugins: Plugin Browser | ShapeMaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Having a lot of effect plugins probably won't cause that type of hang anymore. I optimized it significantly for the 4.1.4 release back in November 2018.  My bet is that this is caused either by the recording software, or something else that is "hooking" the process. Common culprits include any type of GPU/overclocking software, multimonitor or multi-desktop management software (built-in Win10 stuff is fine). Anything that provides functionality within other apps.  Go to Settings -> Diagnostics, click Copy to Clipboard, and share that here inside of a code block. Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudSilence Posted September 21, 2020 Author Share Posted September 21, 2020 37 minutes ago, Rick Brewster said: Go to Settings -> Diagnostics, click Copy to Clipboard, and share that here inside of a code block. Well the thing is, after a few times, I couldn't replicate it anymore (didn't make any changes to anything including other apps, i just did it again) Here are they anyway i guess:  Application paint.net 4.2.14 (β 4.214.7547.1159) Build Date Sunday, August 30, 2020 Expiration Date Sunday, November 22, 2020 Install type Classic Hardware accelerated rendering (GPU) True Animations True DPI 120 (1.25x scale) Language en-US OS Windows 10 Home x64 (10.0.18362.0) (0x65) .NET Runtime 4.0.30319.42000 Physical Memory 12,055 MB CPU Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-1035G1 CPU @ 1.00GHz Speed ~1190 MHz Cores / Threads 4 / 8 Features SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4_1, SSE4_2, AVX, AVX2 Pointer Multi-Touch by G2TSP Type Touch Contacts 10 Video Card Intel(R) UHD Graphics Dedicated Video RAM 128 MB Dedicated System RAM 0 MB Shared System RAM 6,027 MB Vendor ID 0x8086 Device ID 0x8A56 Subsystem ID 0x09791028 Revision 7 LUID 0x000104AE Flags AcgCompatible, SupportMonitoredFences, KeyedMutexConformance Graphics 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C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\NTASN1.dll, version=10.0.18362.1 (WinBuild.160101.0800) igdgmm64.dll C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\iigd_dch.inf_amd64_11b797a1df117bd0\igdgmm64.dll, version=26.20.100.7870 igc64.dll C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\iigd_dch.inf_amd64_11b797a1df117bd0\igc64.dll, version=26.20.100.7870 explorerframe.dll C:\Windows\system32\explorerframe.dll, version=10.0.18362.1 (WinBuild.160101.0800) System.Windows.Forms.DataVisualization.ni.dll C:\Windows\assembly\NativeImages_v4.0.30319_64\System.Wind0de890be#\37642a1e3b182311a91fd9983d160f46\System.Windows.Forms.DataVisualization.ni.dll, version=4.8.3815.0 System.Design.ni.dll C:\Windows\assembly\NativeImages_v4.0.30319_64\System.Design\df97ffdd83fc92fa144f88a8b9d953f3\System.Design.ni.dll, version=4.8.3752.0 built by: NET48REL1 Microsoft.VisualBasic.ni.dll C:\Windows\assembly\NativeImages_v4.0.30319_64\Microsoft.V9921e851#\450c9e92a0bef559b9ec80d5a3abbf97\Microsoft.VisualBasic.ni.dll, version=14.8.3752.0 built by: NET48REL1 SetupApi.dll C:\Windows\System32\SetupApi.dll, version=10.0.18362.1 (WinBuild.160101.0800) DEVOBJ.dll C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\DEVOBJ.dll, version=10.0.18362.387 (WinBuild.160101.0800) WINTRUST.dll C:\Windows\System32\WINTRUST.dll, version=10.0.18362.387 (WinBuild.160101.0800) MSASN1.dll C:\Windows\System32\MSASN1.dll, version=10.0.18362.1 (WinBuild.160101.0800) CRYPT32.dll C:\Windows\System32\CRYPT32.dll, version=10.0.18362.1 (WinBuild.160101.0800) psapi.dll C:\Windows\System32\psapi.dll, version=10.0.18362.1 (WinBuild.160101.0800)   40 minutes ago, Rick Brewster said: caused either by the recording software The problem happened when that wasn't open, it was a screenshot made by snipping tool Quote PDN Discord Server Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Well, I don't see anything in the list of native modules (all the DLLs at the bottom).  Keep your eyes peeled though. If you can find a reliable way to reproduce this, that'll be very very useful. And, I'll need a copy of the diagnostics output when that happens -- although you'll have to capture it before doing the actions which cause the hang.  My bet is still on some other software injecting itself and mucking with DirectX rendering (lots of these "hook" apps detect PDN as "game"), or other fundamental infrastructure. Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudSilence Posted September 24, 2020 Author Share Posted September 24, 2020 On 9/20/2020 at 8:27 PM, Rick Brewster said: Keep your eyes peeled though. If you can find a reliable way to reproduce this, that'll be very very useful https://i.imgur.com/ykN0RSM.mp4 Quote PDN Discord Server Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 So it happens whenever you click on the Effects menu for the first time, I'm guessing? (You didn't give any explanation, just a video) Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudSilence Posted September 24, 2020 Author Share Posted September 24, 2020 Yeah, this happened several times recently, so I recorded a few times until i got it on camera Quote PDN Discord Server Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Well, did you try removing your plugins like was suggested earlier by @Ego Eram Reputo? Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudSilence Posted September 25, 2020 Author Share Posted September 25, 2020 No. However I did try it on windows store version (which i have no plugins on) and i still lagged Quote PDN Discord Server Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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