Covid-19

[DrewDale]

23 hours ago, Manc said:

I don't think you can be paranoid enough in these weird times.🙃

Damn straight my friend. 

[Manc]

20 hours ago, nitenurse79 said:

Apparently after having and recovering from covid19, you can't get infected again.

Let's hope it is the case, I'm sure I will be way down the line for a vaccine in our country, you know the country that didn't even have a lockdown 🙄🤯

Unfortunately @nitenurse79 This not true.

Apparently you're immune approx five months.

There are numerous cases of people contracting 'Covid' twice.

Think this a very dangerous virus and I hope the vaccine can beat it.

Take care and stay safe.🙃 

[Pixey]

A report from the BBC on January 12th, 2021.

 

"There were early reports of people appearing to have multiple coronavirus infections in a short space of time.

But the scientific consensus is that testing was the issue, with patients being incorrectly told they were free of the virus."

[Manc]

Please read this.https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/11/more-people-are-getting-covid-19-twice-suggesting-immunity-wanes-quickly-some

[Pixey]

38 minutes ago, Manc said:

Please read this

 

That article was written on Nov. 18, 2020. 

 

They know a lot more since then and it's being reported that getting it twice is very,very rare.

[Manc]

51 minutes ago, Pixey said:

 

That article was written on Nov. 18, 2020. 

 

They know a lot more since then and it's being reported that getting it twice is very,very rare.

Wow, was written three months ago.

If your not scared of the virus watch this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0blmn5l

Edited February 12, 2021 by Manc

[Ladybug]

16 hours ago, barbieq25 said:

I have heard that the second one is the one that gives people hell. I'm getting splinters sitting on the fence here  

@barbieq25, lets hope you are one of the ones that gets no symptoms or mild ones after the second one. It really is an individual by individual scenario. A woman who I spoke to who is 1 of a set of identical twins had really bad body aches and chills after the second one. Her twin who also went and got hers at the same place and time had arm ache at the site of vaccination and a low grade fever, that's it. Go figure lol.

[Manc]

Here's something else to read.

This is what I said to @nitenurse79

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52446965

Edited February 13, 2021 by Manc

[nitenurse79]

On 2/13/2021 at 3:32 PM, Manc said:

Here's something else to read.

This is what I said to @nitenurse79

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52446965

Interesting article. I don't fancy the idea of trying to get infected by Covid19 again to test the waters,  the first bout of it had me put into an induced coma and almost killed me. I am still not signed off as fit for work and still have shortness of breath, so until I eventually get vaccinated against it, I will remain indoors. 

[Ego Eram Reputo]

New Zealand is experiencing a little setback with a handful of community cases. Lockdowns are in place for the next few days. Level 2 for all of the country except Auckland city (level 3).

 

[nitenurse79]

10 minutes ago, Ego Eram Reputo said:

New Zealand is experiencing a little setback with a handful of community cases. Lockdowns are in place for the next few days. Level 2 for all of the country except Auckland city (level 3).

 

Here In Sweden. The only laws regarding lockdowns, is local authorities can govern how many people are in the same place at the same time. Everything else is basically left to people using "common sence"  

A ticking timebomb if I ever heard one. 

 

This Article

[Manc]

1 hour ago, nitenurse79 said:

Interesting article. I don't fancy the idea of trying to get infected by Covid19 again to test the waters,  the first bout of it had me put into an induced coma and almost killed me. I am still not signed off as fit for work and still have shortness of breath, so until I eventually get vaccinated against it, I will remain indoors. 

Very sorry to hear you got so ill @nitenurse79 Must have been very scary.

Hope you get well soon.

Nine of my family tested positive five weeks ago.

 Aged between 12 and 61, four in one household, five in the other.

Thankfully, none were hospitalised, but, some are still getting after effects three weeks later.

I hope you get the vaccine soon.

The UK has vaccinated over 15.000.000, so far today. I think we are doing OK.

Take care and stay safe.😉

Edited February 14, 2021 by Manc

[Manc]

2 hours ago, nitenurse79 said:

Interesting article. I don't fancy the idea of trying to get infected by Covid19 again to test the waters,  the first bout of it had me put into an induced coma and almost killed me. I am still not signed off as fit for work and still have shortness of breath, so until I eventually get vaccinated against it, I will remain indoors. 

@nitenurse79 Think this is relative to you.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55635451

[Manc]

Watch this about antivaxers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000scy8

[toe_head2001]

Professor Marty Makary of Johns Hopkins is optimistic that the USA will have herd immunity by April.  Even without the vaccine, he estimates 55% of the country has already developed a natural immunity. As more people get the vaccine shot, the immunity numbers will continue to increase.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/well-have-herd-immunity-by-april-11613669731

[nitenurse79]

12 hours ago, toe_head2001 said:

Professor Marty Makary of Johns Hopkins is optimistic that the USA will have herd immunity by April.  Even without the vaccine, he estimates 55% of the country has already developed a natural immunity. As more people get the vaccine shot, the immunity numbers will continue to increase.

Perhaps "Herd Immunity" actually works? 

 

Here in Sweden since the outbreak of Covid-19 (March 2020) there have been a total of 631.000 cases and 12.649 deaths. These figures are withouth the country going into any full lockdown.

 

[DrewDale]

46 minutes ago, nitenurse79 said:

Perhaps "Herd Immunity" actually works? 

Perhaps also common sence works too.

The UK has one of the (if not highest?) rates in Europe, currently standing at 4.1 million cases and 120.000 deaths, our supreme leader Boris Johnson was late to respond to warnings from other countries around the world and almost a month after Italy locked down. Ignorant / stupid people in the UK failed to take heed and follow guidelines and when lockdown eventually came (March 23. 2020) most folk went on with thier normal life with day trips to beaches and parks, visiting friends and relatives, essentially making a very dangerous situation even worse. (good old English morons)

 

So far the UK  has had 3 lockdowns.  Vaccinations are now at a pace with approx 17 million out of 66+ million people have now received thier first vaccine, there is still a long way to go before this (or any other) country can get back to living a normal life, people will still be very cautious even after having a vaccine. So I don't really think herd immunity works, lockdowns certainly don't, since this current lockdown in the UK (January 5. 2021) the death rate has been in tripple figures everyday and this is with the largest percentage of shops closed, all gyms, hospitality, hair salons etc.. being closed. Just imagine how high the death rate would be if herd immunity was put into practice?

 

 

[toe_head2001]

41 minutes ago, DrewDale said:

... if herd immunity was put into practice ...

 

Herd immunity is not something people choose to put into practice. It's more of an observable phenomenon that happens once enough of a population gains immunity.

[ardneh]

This is a documentary series I've started to watch.
They say it will be available thru Sunday at midnight.
https://vrevealed.com/covid/viewing/replay/

 

So far it is interesting.
The speakers seem to be well informed.
 

[DrewDale]

1 hour ago, toe_head2001 said:

 

Herd immunity is not something people choose to put into practice. It's more of an observable phenomenon that happens once enough of a population gains immunity.

You can only gain any kind of immunity against any virus is via a vaccine. Close contact (herd immunity) with others doesn't make you immune and the human race  are not guinea pigs, no matter what some "expert" claims. 14 months back no-one even knew about this virus. 

 

Having said that, time will tell wether the vaccine actually works, all it will take is for few people who have had both shots, to catch covid19 and once again the world will be back to the drawing board. There are now a few new strains of Covid19 out there, are the current vaccines suitable ?

 

Also different people have different reactions to vaccines, I know of a number of people who have received the first shot, some had flu like symptoms, some suffered bad headaches for a few days after and some have had nothing more than a pain in the arm. 

Edited February 20, 2021 by DrewDale
Spelling.

[toe_head2001]

11 minutes ago, DrewDale said:

Close contact (herd immunity) with others doesn't make you immune.

 

Well of course close contact doesn't make you immune.  I think you have misunderstood what Herd Immunity is.

 

Herd Immunity just means that enough of the population is immune, and therefore the transmission rate is so negligible that the non-immune people won't have to worry as much about becoming infected.

[nitenurse79]

1 hour ago, toe_head2001 said:

 

Well of course close contact doesn't make you immune.  I think you have misunderstood what Herd Immunity is.

 

Herd Immunity just means that enough of the population is immune, and therefore the transmission rate is so negligible that the non-immune people won't have to worry as much about becoming infected.

So the only way the herd can become immune is through a vaccine? Therefore reducing infection to the non immune? As @DrewDale has already stated. 

 

I also agree with Drew, that there's no evidence yet to say that the vaccine will actually work. I am a doctor and still sceptical about this working (as is numerous medical specialists)

[barbieq25]

Well, today, Sunday 21 Feb, a day early, the vaccines are being rolled out. Front-line workers & those in aged care (residents) are the first to get the jab. Apparently our very own Prime Minister is going to get the jab today. 

There was a photo of the Queensland Premier getting a jab. Good one! Now I am not a doctor of any kind, or even in the medical profession, but damn, doesn't the cap have to be OFF the needle for it to work? 

 

I want to see it with my own eyes of him getting a jab. Not a photo, not a news clip because we know what can be done to manipulate photos & film. Even then, can I trust what is in the syringe. 

 

I told one of my lecturers that unlike him, I am not jaded & cynical. He said: Give it time, give it time. YUP! I gave it time & here we are.

[Pixey]

11 hours ago, barbieq25 said:

Front-line workers & those in aged care (residents) are the first to get the jab.

 

This is the case here in Florida too.  However, nothing is simple as the rules are made by politicians.  My oncologist tried to fast track me for an early vaccine, as I'm battling cancer and am on chemo, but then found out that only 65 year olds and under, and 75 year olds and over can have the vaccine first.  I fall in-between those groups so I have to sit and wait with the rest of Florida.  Never mind, hubby and I don't mind staying home until we can get the shots 💉

[Manc]

Good news in the UK.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56153617