AsgardTM Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Hello again ! After the last beta update paint.net is acting very weird ! For some reason the colors change and fading For example black become red, white slowly become gray and so on. Is very important for me to fix this because I loose a lot of details.. Thanx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toe_head2001 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, AsgardTM said: white slowly become gray and so on You mean the change of color happens gradually over time? Otherwise, it might just be the Embedded Color Profile being applied when the image is initially opened. More info here: https://forums.getpaint.net/topic/114612-paintnet-42-beta-build-7121/?do=findComment&comment=559855 Edited July 3, 2019 by toe_head2001 Quote (September 25th, 2023) Sorry about any broken images in my posts. I am aware of the issue. My Gallery | My Plugin Pack Layman's Guide to CodeLab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsgardTM Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 The more I open and save the files, the more colors are changing. It's not good, because in the end the drawing it will be ruined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toe_head2001 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Well that's not supposed to happen. The color profile should be purged after it's been applied that initial time. Can you share an example image that is having this issue? So we can open and save it many times, and see what's going on. Quote (September 25th, 2023) Sorry about any broken images in my posts. I am aware of the issue. My Gallery | My Plugin Pack Layman's Guide to CodeLab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Yeah we'll need an example image that illustrates what's happening Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrevorOutlaw Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 1 hour ago, AsgardTM said: Hello again ! After the last beta update paint.net is acting very weird ! For some reason the colors change and fading For example black become red, white slowly become gray and so on. Is very important for me to fix this because I loose a lot of details.. Thanx. Any chance you are saving your drawings in JPG format? Quote Paint.NET Gallery | Remove Foreground Object Tutorial | Dispersion Effect Tutorial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 We also need to know the file type you're using ... JPEG, PNG, HEIC, PDN, etc Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsgardTM Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) Sorry for late reply, i'm from Europe so from time to time I need to sleep The image format is TIF and are big drawings 60K pixels and 300 to 600 DPI. I will try to put some screen shoots: http://prntscr.com/oae7u2 http://prntscr.com/oaebzj In the first Black is becoming red which is the drawing I worked for the last 3 days and now is ruined because I use strictly color codes for all the lines. In the second screen shoots is a backup file which is also starting to change because I already opened once or twice with paint.net Edit: I made some more screenshots http://prntscr.com/oaing9 This drawing is made before the last beta update and you can see how the black is already changed, but just a little... http://prntscr.com/oailxj In this one you can see how baddly the colors are faded, although are the same used like in the first screenshoot Edited July 4, 2019 by AsgardTM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHaveNoName Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) I do not fully understand the explanations I've read but a little research indicates this is a known general image display 'problem' and probably nothing to do with PDN except in so far it apparently only supports RGB. Apparently it is all to do with the colour mode/colour space (RGB /sRGB) and. as toe-head2001 said, profile being used. Monitor colour calibration can also be involved. If there is a mismatch when the image is saved and re-opened the colour shifts a small amount. At least that is what I think it means. https://petapixel.com/2009/09/17/why-you-should-probably-use-srgb/ Just Google "TIFF file color change" and you'll find plenty more information on such matters including old threads from this forum. If somebody here can explain it in really simple terms it would be helpful and appreciated. Edited July 4, 2019 by IHaveNoName Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsgardTM Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 I know what you are saying, but here is not the case. I didn't heard that black will become red after a wile. Maybe just a little more grayish, but not red !!! And why this didn't happen first ? Why after the developer change something with the software which is about colors ?!!! I use paint.net for ... I don't remember really, I think for the beginning and I never saw doing something like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHaveNoName Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Have you tried opening the original file in another graphic program like IrfanView to see if the colour shift you're seeing repeats? I hope it is OK to mention that other program here because, in this specific case, it does include particular Colour Management control options so that may help identify if this is a colour space issue or something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Did you start these with Paint.NET or did they originally come from other software? I really do need the images themselves so that I can inspect them to see if they have a color profile, or to see if something else is going on. Otherwise I literally cannot attempt to fix this. Screenshots are not enough. Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsgardTM Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) The drawings are 70 or more years old, and are scanned at 100% and I need the scale intact, because not all the data are write on them. Very few plans remained (about 400 from 7000 or so) the size factor is very important. The copies are TIF with this embedded color code: kip129-g20-comp.icm I can't give the file to you because are kinda secrets. It's a fighter plane and no one exist anymore, so I can't share the plans. It's already to much I posted the screenshots, sorry. Edit: grammar corrections... Edited July 4, 2019 by AsgardTM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Well I still need some image, any image, with that color profile embedded into it. Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Okay I managed to transcode a PNG to a TIFF along with a color profile. Paint.NET is definitely applying the color profile and not discarding it in this case. Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Every time I save and re-open, her face gets more and more blushed ... (screencap from some an episode of Star Trek Discovery) 1 Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsgardTM Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 If the file I send to you is empty is that good? You can draw something into it and see what happen after you save it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsgardTM Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rick Brewster said: Every time I save and re-open, her face gets more and more blushed ... (screencap from some an of Star Trek Discovery) yeah the color changes, but now at a very rapid state. I don't recall doing that before the last update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 I don't think I need an image from you anymore. I've reproduced the issue. I think it's a bug in WIC, so I have to add some special casing logic in Paint.NET. It (WIC) is loading the color profile and providing it as an IWICColorContext, but it's also leaving the color profile in the EXIF metadata. So when the image is loaded, the color profile is applied, but it also survives in the file and gets applied the next time the image is loaded. Repeat ad nauseum. Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsgardTM Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 Ok so there is a chance my drawings will becoming again like it was before ? I don't think it will, but if you are here is worth to ask. Thanx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 The colors won't revert back to the original. They won't continue changing with each save/open cycle, however. They'll be stable. You have backups, right? If data is important, you need to have backups. Especially if you're installing beta builds of any software. Personally I use CrashPlan, but there are lots of services you can use. Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsgardTM Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) I do have backups, with the originals but not with my recent work,.. Not a problem though, I will remade them. Actually I only need to change the colors. Anyway I'm very pleased that in the end I all worked out good. Did I ever mention, if paint net will show the measurements in millimeters and not in centimeters I will be very pleased ?! Edit: I know I made some guys curious and I will show some screenshots to demonstrate that paint.net can be a very powerful tool if you know what to do ! the original scan: https://prnt.sc/oaor76 and in the end will look like this: https://prnt.sc/oaor76 Of course that just a faze. Other 3D software will be used after. Edited July 4, 2019 by AsgardTM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 (the "original" and "in the end" links are the same? like the URL is the same) Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsgardTM Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) Sorry about that http://prntscr.com/oaqby7 The original is not the same as the one I made screenshots right now, because is ruined and I need to replace all the colors with GIMP until another paint.net update will be available. Regards. Edited July 4, 2019 by AsgardTM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsgardTM Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 Edit: Can I ask a favor? More like a life quality improvements. I need to block the left mouse button ONLY to move selection not to also rotate or whatever. Is a pain in the "arse" to always zoom in max to grab one pixel wide line to be moved, Please ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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