Reptillian Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) I have installed 4.0.19, and it appears that Paint.NET does not support overwrite blending mode yet. Am I missing something here? Additional Info below ------ Application paint.net 4.0.19 (Final 4.19.6484.39094) Build Date Monday, October 2, 2017 Install type Classic Hardware accelerated rendering (GPU) True Animations True DPI 96.00 (1.00x scale) Language en-US OS Windows 10 x64 (10.0.15063.0) .NET Runtime 4.0.30319.42000 Physical Memory 32,678 MB CPU Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6850K CPU @ 3.60GHz Speed ~3598 MHz Cores / Threads 6 / 12 Features DEP, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4_1, SSE4_2, XSAVE Video Card NVIDIA Quadro K4200 Dedicated Video RAM 4,062 MB Dedicated System RAM 0 MB Shared System RAM 16,339 MB Vendor ID 0x10DE Device ID 0x11B4 Subsystem ID 0x109610DE Revision 161 LUID 0x0000DFB1 Flags None Outputs 1 Video Card Microsoft Basic Render Driver Dedicated Video RAM 0 MB Dedicated System RAM 0 MB Shared System RAM 16,339 MB Vendor ID 0x1414 Device ID 0x008C Subsystem ID 0x00000000 Revision 0 LUID 0x0000E869 Flags Software Outputs 0 ----- Edited October 7, 2017 by Reptillian Quote G'MIC Filter Developer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Reptillian Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) I don't see overwrite below Xor. That is what I'm seeing, even after reinstalling to latest. Oh never mind, I found it. I thought it was suppose to be available on layer blending mode now. Edited October 7, 2017 by Reptillian Quote G'MIC Filter Developer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoltBait Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 The Overwrite blending mode doesn't have any meaning when dealing with entire layers... only when working with tools. Quote Click to play: Download: BoltBait's Plugin Pack | CodeLab | and how about a Computer Dominos Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reptillian Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) Judging from the screenshot, overwrite layer blending mode may be coming soon, right? Looks like overwrite is missing on just layer. Edited October 7, 2017 by Reptillian Quote G'MIC Filter Developer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoltBait Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Just now, Reptillian said: Judging from the screenshot, overwrite layer blending mode may be coming soon, right? Looks like overwrite is missing on just layer. The Overwrite blending mode doesn't have any meaning when dealing with entire layers... only when working with tools. Quote Click to play: Download: BoltBait's Plugin Pack | CodeLab | and how about a Computer Dominos Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reptillian Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BoltBait said: The Overwrite blending mode doesn't have any meaning when dealing with entire layers... only when working with tools. Photoshop, and Krita have something similar to how overwrite behaves. In Krita 4.0.0 Pre-Alpha for example, it would be destination in. But, of course, to emulate the behavior exactly in Krita, you would have to apply filter mask and put Alpha Value to 1 on every pixel in the layer below the destination in layer. In Photoshop, it would be clipping mask going up or something (never tried it, but I know similar behavior to Krita destination in is there). I'm not really sure why you would say that overwrite blending mode does not have any meaning when dealing with entire layers, unless there is some issues to do with codes. So, why are the other blending modes are available for both? Edited October 7, 2017 by Reptillian Quote G'MIC Filter Developer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoltBait Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 I tried Krita, it's garbage. Anyway, if you want to make and use masks, we have plugins to help. 1 Quote Click to play: Download: BoltBait's Plugin Pack | CodeLab | and how about a Computer Dominos Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reptillian Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, BoltBait said: I tried Krita, it's garbage. Anyway, if you want to make and use masks, we have plugins to help. We both use Paint.NET and Krita very differently, and we both have different opinions about the two software, and I'll leave it there. I'll say that they're both useful for different things although I don't use Krita similar to most other Krita users. Some people like one software, other people hate other software. Just how life goes. And now, I think I know why overwrite blending mode isn't supported on layers. Something to do with colors. When alpha is at 0, is there any color in there? It wouldn't make sense. Something like Krita Destination In, and GIMP layer mask would be great for this software. I use GIMP 2.8 for niche usage, and layer mask in Paint.NET would make switch from GIMP 2.8 to Paint.NET for niche use. To clarify, I never once saved as .xcf format or .pdn this year, but I use these softwares to copy and paste and export with very limited amount of editing which has to do with clipboard. Edited October 7, 2017 by Reptillian Quote G'MIC Filter Developer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Brewster Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Overwrite isn't supported on layers because it would require an additional alpha channel. That's how the Shapes tool (and others) support it: internally, they have two alpha channels for the content they are rendering. One defines the transparency for the pixel, the other defines the coverage for the pixel. The latter defines, in a sense, which pixels are affected by the rendering. Let's say you want to use the Paintbrush tool as an eraser. So you set the Alpha to 0 (in the Colors window), and the blending mode to Overwrite. You also disable antialiasing, just to keep this discussion simpler. The brush will stamp out pixels that have Alpha=0, Coverage=255. Outside the brush's stamp we'll have Alpha=0, Coverage=0. The former will then set pixels on the layer so that Alpha=0. The latter pixels will be skipped over and leave the layer alone. Like you said, what you want are layer masks, which is what Photoshop calls it and is just a different name for what you want. 1 Quote The Paint.NET Blog: https://blog.getpaint.net/ Donations are always appreciated! https://www.getpaint.net/donate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reptillian Posted October 7, 2017 Author Share Posted October 7, 2017 I appreciate your indepth explanation, and now I know a little bit more of how Paint.NET works. On the part of layer mask, I guess either terminologies works (transparency mask, and layer mask). Transparency mask works better in case of programs with more than just transparency mask just that users of those program don't get confused between layer mask, and other mask types. Quote G'MIC Filter Developer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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