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Totally missed it, and it's completely obvious now that you've mentioned it. It would be nice if undo took care of both, but them again, other things are broken down into steps like draw line and finish line, and would be annoying if you COULDN'T undo the steps independently.

Layers are, essentially, layered graphics. They help when you want to display something above a previous graphic without removing that old graphic (they prioritize in viewing from top to bottom.) They appear top to bottom, and layer's you've unclicked are invisible. They still exist, but if you save a file in a way that "flattens" the image, or "flatten" it purposefully, all VISIBLE data is scrunched down to one layer and anything unclicked (invisible) is thrown away. A layer with less than 100% opacity (changed by double-clicking the layer and altering the transparency) affects the view of every layer beneath it by putting a recoloring affect above it (defined by the color per pixel and the transparency amount.) If you want to create multiple variants of one image, you could use layers for that. Save a master copy in .pdn format. Then, open it repeatedly, change the layer settings, and save it how you want (do not overwrite the original file!) You can alter the priority (what appears above what) in a layered image by clicking and dragging a layer in the layer window and moving it up or down. As an example, I am making an RPG. I have some bookshelf graphics. The basis is the outline (layer 1.) I have a wood coloring (layer 2.) I have a white paint coloring (layer 3.) i have a "rotted wood" recolor done by using a semi-transparent layer with green pixels drawn over the normal graphic (layer 4) This is my output files: Regular wood: 1,2 visible, flattened. Rotted wood: 1,2,4 visible, flattened. White paint: 1,3 visible, flattened.

When I miss-click "paste into new layer" rather than one of the other paste options, and then try and undo that step, that new layer remains. It should be deleted upon undoing that step. I'm willing to bet that it isn't a bug per se, rather, that the undo option in this case just doesn't affect layers. However, since, in this case, it would always be the instance that spawned that layer, undoing it should remove that layer. That is, if you undo back to this step regardless of what else you've done, the created layer is empty at that point, so clearly, by undoing this far you indicated that you didn't want it in the first place.

Here's one I keep getting: Hidden Content: This text file was created because paint.net crashed. Please e-mail this to crashlog4@getpaint.net so we can diagnose and fix the problem. Application version: paint.net 4.0.3 (Final 4.3.5316.40022) Time of crash: 8/11/2014 3:56:00 AM Application uptime: 02:44:51.4887608 Application state: Running Working set: 249,180 KiB Threads: 47 Install directory: C:\Program Files\Paint.NET Current directory: C:\Program Files\Paint.NET OS Version: 6.1.7601.65536 Service Pack 1 Workstation x64 .NET version: CLR 4.0.30319.18444 x64, FX 4.0 4.5 Processor: 8x "AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor " @ ~3991MHz (DEP, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4_1, SSE4_2, XSAVE) Physical memory: 16341 MB Video card: AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series (v:1002, d:6819, r:0) Hardware acceleration: True (default: True) UI animations: True UI DPI: 96.00 dpi (1.00x scale) UI theme: Aero/Aero (Aero.msstyles) Updates: True, 8/3/2014 Locale: pdnr.c: en-US, hklm: en-US, hkcu: en-US, cc: en-US, cuic: en-US Exception details: System.Runtime.InteropServices.COMException (0x80263001): {Desktop composition is disabled} The operation could not be completed because desktop composition is disabled. (Exception from HRESULT: 0x80263001) at PaintDotNet.SystemLayer.NativeMethods.DwmExtendFrameIntoClientArea(IntPtr hwnd, MARGINS& pMarInset) at PaintDotNet.SystemLayer.FormEx.ExtendFrameIntoClientArea(IWin32Window window, Int32 left, Int32 top, Int32 right, Int32 bottom) in d:\src\pdn\paintdotnet\src\SystemLayer\FormEx.cs:line 120 at PaintDotNet.SystemLayer.FormEx.set_FrameExtentInClientArea(Padding value) in d:\src\pdn\paintdotnet\src\SystemLayer\FormEx.cs:line 203 at PaintDotNet.PdnBaseForm.RefreshGlass(Boolean invalidateAndPerformLayout) in d:\src\pdn\paintdotnet\src\Core\PdnBaseForm.cs:line 418 at PaintDotNet.PdnBaseForm.set_GlassInset(Padding value) in d:\src\pdn\paintdotnet\src\Core\PdnBaseForm.cs:line 316 at PaintDotNet.Dialogs.MainForm.OnLayout(LayoutEventArgs levent) in d:\src\pdn\paintdotnet\src\PaintDotNet\Dialogs\MainForm.cs:line 947 at System.Windows.Forms.Control.PerformLayout(LayoutEventArgs args) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.PerformLayout() at PaintDotNet.PdnBaseForm.RefreshGlass(Boolean invalidateAndPerformLayout) in d:\src\pdn\paintdotnet\src\Core\PdnBaseForm.cs:line 428 at PaintDotNet.PdnBaseForm.OnIsCompositionEnabledChanged() in d:\src\pdn\paintdotnet\src\Core\PdnBaseForm.cs:line 1303 at PaintDotNet.SystemLayer.FormEx.PreProcessWindowMessage(Message& m) in d:\src\pdn\paintdotnet\src\SystemLayer\FormEx.cs:line 590 at PaintDotNet.PdnBaseForm.WndProc(Message& m) in d:\src\pdn\paintdotnet\src\Core\PdnBaseForm.cs:line 1607 at PaintDotNet.Dialogs.GdiPaintForm.WndProc(Message& m) in d:\src\pdn\paintdotnet\src\PaintDotNet\Dialogs\GdiPaintForm.cs:line 97 at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam) Managed assemblies: mscorlib, Version=4.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089 @ C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework64\v4.0.30319\mscorlib.dll PaintDotNet, Version=4.3.5316.40022, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null @ C:\Program Files\Paint.NET\PaintDotNet.exe 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version=6.2.9200.16492 (win8_gdr_oobssr.130113-0015) C:\Windows\System32\drprov.dll, version=6.1.7600.16385 (win7_rtm.090713-1255) C:\Windows\System32\ntlanman.dll, version=6.1.7600.16385 (win7_rtm.090713-1255) C:\Windows\System32\davclnt.dll, version=6.1.7601.18201 (win7sp1_gdr.130703-2233) C:\Windows\System32\DAVHLPR.dll, version=6.1.7600.16385 (win7_rtm.090713-1255) C:\Windows\System32\wshtcpip.dll, version=6.1.7600.16385 (win7_rtm.090713-1255) C:\Windows\System32\wship6.dll, version=6.1.7600.16385 (win7_rtm.090713-1255) C:\Program Files\Bonjour\mdnsNSP.dll, version=3,0,0,2 C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live\WLIDNSP.DLL, version=7.250.4232.0 C:\Windows\System32\fwpuclnt.dll, version=6.1.7600.16385 (win7_rtm.090713-1255) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I've only had it occur while another program is running and has focus, but it doesn't happen consistently. I've had other programs running concurrently and generally it's not a problem, but the crash always happens after I exit a program (or rather, that's when I notice it.) I have not had any crashes while PDN had focus, even when it was left running all night. The most recent crash I was using only a quarter of my RAM, so that shouldn't be an issue. If the plugins are any concern, I've been using Ed Harvey Effects (for PDN 4) since about 4.01. Sorry if I'm "muddling up" the thread, but i didn't know if I should create a separate one since this one about crashes was already here. (BTW the previous issue I had with it crashing while I was using it I seem to have resolved, and was probably a system issue on my end.)

I'm not sure how to accomplish this, I've tried playing with the tools, but I can't get it to do exactly what I want. If there's a way to do it, or a plug-in I should use, please let me know! I have a small picture with about 20-40 shades of tan in it. I want to reset the color range so it only contains 3 or 4 colors. It doesn't matter if it retains the tan overall color or if it becomes grayscale, since I'm using it as a luminosity map for transparencies anyway.

Well, I can "help" I guess, by throwing that one out, because I have hardware acceleration turned on. It doesn't seem to be a big issue, but if it can be figured out some way, that would be nice.

Yes. Settings are held globally when multiple images are open, and only one image was acting this way.

I have five images open currently. The Rectangle Select tool is working completely normally on the latter four. On the first (which was also the one I've had opened the longest,) the tool is not drawing a selection when being used. The History box is still adding "Rectangle Select" to its list every time I use it even though nothing is happening. I checked to see if maybe it was just invisible, but it's literally doing nothing, as the Copy menu option is not usable. I tried a couple things to mess around with it for kicks. I was able to paste, which shows up within a selection box, but moving it, deleting it, or undoing it does not "reset" the selection tool. Not that I had any reason to think it would, but I thought I would try. Switching to another tool and then switching back does nothing to it, either. After closing and re-opening the image, the tool worked normally.

I noticed in the popular features request thread that it's planned to add pressure sensitivity in the future. That's good news for users such as myself, as I use Paint.net on both a desktop PC and a Windows Surface Pro 1 which has an excellent stylus, and I've been making great usage of PDN on it. However, there are a couple issues that I feel should be addressed to help with user friendliness on touchscreens. 1. Zoom slider: I absolutely adore this feature, as it makes it super easy to change zoom without having to change tools. However, its position at the bottom makes it really easy to bump when I go to draw. I have to reset it fairly constantly. Perhaps it could be moved, or an option box could be added at the top to lock/unlock it? (Which is still more efficient than switching tools and clicking multiple times.) I'm right-handed, but I imagine any position below the drawing area would be irritating to someone. 2. Pen/hand discrimination: I'm not sure if this is possible within the program (or indeed, I imagine it might vary from device to device in its implementation) but is there a way to discriminate between stylus and finger touch? If so, a way to turn off non-stylus interactions would be nice. It's not a big issue, but I do find now and then that I've inadvertently drawn something with the heel of my hand when I go to use the stylus.

My initial crashes seemed to be related to some malware that was eating up memory, but it should be long gone now. I'll run some scans, mess with that Aero setting, and see if I can get any useful information. UPDATE: Did a scan, I'm malware free, so that's not the issue here.

Had a crash tonight. Here you go, hope this helps! Overall 4.02 seems to be much more stable than 4.0, this is the only issue I've had so far. Hidden Content: This text file was created because paint.net crashed. Please e-mail this to crashlog4@getpaint.net so we can diagnose and fix the problem. Application version: paint.net 4.0.2 (Final 4.2.5309.33059) Time of crash: 7/18/2014 2:36:47 AM Application uptime: 05:20:14.9300311 Application state: Running Working set: 270,796 KiB Threads: 27 Install directory: C:\Program Files\Paint.NET Current directory: C:\Program Files\Paint.NET OS Version: 6.1.7601.65536 Service Pack 1 Workstation x64 .NET version: CLR 4.0.30319.18444 x64, FX 4.0 4.5 Processor: 8x "AMD FX-8350 Eight-Core Processor " @ ~3991MHz (DEP, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4_1, SSE4_2, XSAVE) Physical memory: 16341 MB Video card: AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series (v:1002, d:6819, r:0) Hardware acceleration: True (default: True) UI animations: True UI DPI: 96.00 dpi (1.00x scale) UI theme: Aero/Aero (Aero.msstyles) Updates: True, 7/13/2014 Locale: pdnr.c: en-US, hklm: en-US, hkcu: en-US, cc: en-US, cuic: en-US Exception details: System.Runtime.InteropServices.COMException (0x80263001): {Desktop composition is disabled} The operation could not be completed because desktop composition is disabled. 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Ran all night without crashing, pixel grid great now, moving selections much less annoying. Thanks!

Thanks for the info. I'll do a look into the oblique plugin as the link is either dead or wrong. The perspective thing looks interesting; I am aware of the roller-ball control and I do plan on using it for something else, but thanks all the same. It really depends what the oblique plugin does; honestly, the main reason I want a skew function is, if you look closely at the 2nd picture of my original post, you'll see that it's not perspective-accurate; it's still a parallelogram (with opposing angle sets of 45 degrees and 135 degrees.) This is actually the effect I'm going for; it's also why I mentioned iso tiles, as they are usually created this way and are not perspective-accurate. I will check into oblique plug-ins and see what I can do.

Forgive me if this has been brought up before, I did search the forum and check the "Popular Feature Requests " thread, and I was actually surprised I didn't see it. (And if the function is there under some other name, please let me know, I couldn't find it.) Basically, for anyone who does not know how skew works, you select an object, and then (depending on the interface) punch in new angles and/or drag the selection to a new shape, and then the selection is mapped onto the new shape. Below is an example I made quickly in an old version of photoshop. Left to right: The original, a pixel art door. The second, skewed 45 degrees. The third, a door skewed for a perspective drawing. Fourth, going nuts! Obviously these are aliased, but anti-aliasing would be a needed option as well. I figure this would be useful at least for people like me who are doing pixel and sprite work, and anyone who wants to make iso tiles. I'm sure others could find a use as well. Cheers!

Ha, see, this is where my knowledge of math and my knowledge of programming and rendering drop completely apart. I always thought it was weird that drawing programs basically draw the circle outside-in* rather than inside-out. I always thought it made more sense to start at the center, pull the cursor out in any direction to define the radius, and then define the circle that way. If this were the method, I would personally prefer ellipses to be drawn in a two-step process, defining the foci first and then a point on the radius; this would allow rotated ellipses without needing to actually rotate them. However, this is just me musing over the formulae for circles and ellipses in my head; so pay no mind. What I DO get is what you are saying about polygons; I personally have done the math to derive radius/area formulae from triangles and surface area/spherical volume formulae from pyramids (yes, sometimes in math class I wanted to know why something was the way it was!) so I am all too familiar how data points and calculations rise rapidly with slight increases in precision. Pardon my ignorance in the mechanics of the issue (ESPECIALLY if this is already what is going on!) but would it be helpful to define the ellipse dynamically as it is sized, perhaps with a # of line endpoints related to the size of the ellipse at any given moment (thus allowing smoother curves when needed with bigger objects) and then processing the actual pixels/lines to be drawn completely only once the mouse button is released (perhaps only showing the line endpoints, or an approximate until then)? Or, to draw it by formula while it is being sized, appearance be damned, but have it "refined" once the button is released? In any case, it's good enough for me right now, I work mostly in small scale so I can work fine with approximates that I can adjust after. But it would be interesting to see what comes up in the future. *That is, the first point chosen is on the radius, not the center.