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This is also explained in a Tip in the Documentation https://www.getpaint.net/doc/latest/ColorPicker.html See the Sampling Modes heading.

@Painted Butterfly I'm now wondering whether you are really using paint.net or whether you are talking about a different app and have come to the wrong forum. To crop in paint.net you simply make a selection and then do Image -> Crop to Selection or press the shortcut Ctrl+Shift+X In paint.net there is nowhere to "click OK" when cropping. Nothing has changed in paint.net What app are you using please?

"Canvas" was actually the first word that came to mind! Then I thought about the literal metaphor and worried it might not be clear - [i]technically[/i], if we treat an image editing program as a direct analogy to ink-and-paint, the "canvas" would be almost synonymous with "image", since one paints on the canvas. But... And that's exciting news! I agree that color is probably less-essential - though on the other hand, it might also easily be filed under "no good reason not to". I can think of scenarios where it might be nice having a primary-color canvas, but at the same time, they're not scenarios I envision myself ever being in. But shading would be critical, there are times where I almost find myself wanting to load GIMP, and that's an experience no human being should ever have to go through (snip) I think our workflows are actually pretty similar. After a while, though, I actually feel mild tendonitis in my right middle finger from all the scrollwheeling around. (really unrelated, but given the workflow discussion, I feel I should also give a shoutout to toe_head2001's "Quadrilateral Correction", which is invaluable with scanned images)

You can just hold Ctrl when you want to sample the image instead of the layer (it says this in the status bar at the bottom, btw)

This is something that always annoys me when I use paint.net. I use the eyedropper tool, try to figure out why it isnt working, and realize its sampling the layer. Sampling a layer only is almost never done, and its annoying to always switch towards it. The reason i cant just keep the sampling of the Eyedropper to layer is because when i set the Sampling of the Eyedropper to Image, it also sets the Magic Wand to sample from the image, which is also something that you rarely use. You keep having to figure out why thats happening and you have to switch a part of me dies whenever i sample a colour and get this

Yeah this doesn't really make sense... PDN never hides the image

How are you making the rotation? I'm guessing using Layers -> Rotate/Zoom? And what do you mean by "Now that I cannot see the image"? The image should remain visible as you rotate it. Nothing has changed in paint.net in this respect. What exactly is happening? At what point does the image disappear for you?

That is not normal, and it sounds like you're having a performance issue on your system. Please post the diagnostic information found within paint.net. Settings -> Diagnostics -> Copy to clipboard.

I have used paint.net for 10 years, often for cropping and straightening images at work. In the past, this was very easy. Now when I attempt to do this: 1.) The crop rectangle is difficult to drag to the desired borders of the image, even when I zoom out: it wants to stop dragging before I am ready to stop, which would result in an over-cropped image if I clicked "OK." 2.) When making minor rotations to straighten images, older versions of paint.net let me see (in real time) the degree of rotation before I clicked "OK." Now that I cannot see the image, rotating is guesswork. This reminds me of the early 2010s, when Microsoft replaced classic Microsoft toolbars with the "ribbon," which I partially adjusted to years ago but will never like. Why take a function that was previously simple and accessible, and make it difficult? This is NOT a rhetorical question! Thank you.

I'm glad you got it sorted @rbersan Which TrustView are you referring to? There appear to be several apps in existence with that name.

[SOLVED] Hello, after receiving guidance from this forum, I took the following step to troubleshoot the problem: Removed TrustView from Startup > I removed the TrustView application from the Windows 11 Startup list via Settings > Apps > Startup, and then rebooted my laptop. I'm pleased to report that after performing this step, the issue with paint.net seems to be completely resolved! I can now use the selection tools without any crashes. If anyone else encounters a similar issue with paint.net, I recommend checking your system's startup applications and removing any potentially conflicting software. I want to extend my sincere thanks to @Tactilis and @Rick Brewster who offered kind suggestions and support during this troubleshooting process. Thank you once again for your help and expertise!

Thank you for your kind answers. Please find the output text in the last part of this message. That folder is empty. A scan with Defender reported no issue. HookTool64.dll seems to be a Native module at path C:\Program Files\TrustView\HookTool64.dll Should i remove it and reinstall Paint.NET? 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The diagnostics info that @Tactilis requested will tell us where this file is, and that usually gives more information about what it is. But, this is definitely not a Paint.NET bug -- HookTool64.dll is definitely the culprit.

Could you start paint.net (don't use the selection tools) and go to Settings -> Diagnostics -> Copy to clipboard and paste the text here. Also click Open crash log folder and see whether there are any pdncrash.n.log files. These are text files and the content can be emailed to the address shown on the first line of the file. Your wording suggests that paint.net used to work correctly on your system. Do you have any idea what changed just prior to the problem starting? You may have malware on your PC. See Trojan.KeyLogger.43099 https://vms.drweb.com/virus/?i=23537722 I'd suggest doing a full scan using Defender (part of Windows) and/or installing a scanner such as Malwarebytes and seeing what that reports.

Hello paint.net Community, I'm reaching out for assistance regarding a persistent issue I'm encountering with paint.net on my Windows 11 Home x64 laptop. Whenever I use the selection tools (Rectangular or Lasso), the application crashes without displaying any error messages. I've performed a pdnrepair but the problem is still there. I checked the Windows Event Viewer for details, which revealed the following error: System Specifications: - Operating System: Windows 11 Home x64 (10.0.22631.0) - CPU: 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1195G7 - Graphics Card: Intel(R) Iris(R) Xe Graphics - .NET Version: 7.0.16 x64 - Paint.NET Version: 5.13.8830.42291 The crash occurs consistently whenever I use the Rectangular or Lasso selection tools. I would greatly appreciate any guidance or solutions to resolve this issue. If anyone has encountered a similar problem or has suggestions for troubleshooting, please let me know. Your help would be invaluable in getting paint.net back to full functionality. Thank you in advance for your assistance! Best regards, Riccardo

This will happen if you manually change the file extension in the Save dialog, without actually choosing the format from the dropdown.

@midora Thank you so, so much, even 9 years later this really helped me!! It's like the most perfect, specific-to-what-I-needed tool/plugin! Especially since there is a glitch in paint.net, I tried to save a photo as a png, but I think it saved as a png with a .pdn file extension. I really thought I would have to make the whole file over again !!🥹 You're a genius, thank you for the work you do!!!

I can't reproduce that. I've just tried the Simulate Color Depth plugin with a range of Bit Depths, with and without Dither checked, and using Dither Methods of Floyd-Steinberg and Bayer Ordered 8x8. It works OK on paint.net 5.0.13. However if I select the Stucki dither method, the rendering gets stuck part way through (it never completes). If I then try to select a different dither method, the plugin crashes with: PaintDotNet.WorkerThreadException: Worker thread threw an exception ---> System.IndexOutOfRangeException: Index was outside the bounds of the array. [EDIT: I've just noticed that @Ego Eram Reputo mentioned the Stucki crash already] Full error log:

The "Simulate Color Depth" plugin would always crash no matter what dither settings that I want.

Or maybe "Editing Window", which is the terminology used in the Docs: https://www.getpaint.net/doc/latest/MainWindow.html#7

What I do when I want accurate cropping of a scanned photo that might be misaligned by a few pixels is to quickly check each of the 4 corners and adjust the selection as necessary. Here's the sequence I follow: 1. Press M M to activate the Move Selection tool 2. Press Ctrl+A to Select All 3. Press Ctrl+B to Zoom to Window 4. Move the mouse pointer to the top left corner of the photo. 5. Ctrl+Mouse Wheel or hold down Ctrl++ to quickly Zoom In on the corner. 6. Position the mouse pointer over the selection edge (the pointer changes to a hand) and adjust the selection by a couple of pixels to exclude the misalignment. 7. Press Ctrl+B to Zoom to Window Repeat steps 4-7 for the top right / bottom left / bottom right corners, then press Ctrl+Shift+X to Crop to Selection Note that at step 6, it is not necessary to grab the circular selection 'nub'; you can adjust the selection by grabbing anywhere along its edge. The above may seem like a lot of steps but it's actually really fast once you get into the swing of it.

(The term you're looking for is "canvas") This isn't currently possible but is something I'm considering for the upcoming 5.1 release. Maybe not the color but at least the brightness.

Here's the portion of the window I'm referring to: When cropping scanned images, one frequent issue is that the image is just ever-so-slightly misaligned. These flaws leap out at a glance when using image viewers with a dark background: It would be really great if PDN allowed me to change the "desktop" color. The capability is clearly there, as the color changes when switching to "dark mode". However, dark mode hurts my eyes to work with, so it's not really a solution. I would love some way of changing this color by itself.

You wouldn't. That kinda of defeats the purpose. If you need images at the original resolution, you'll need to redraw your sprites, with the adjusted rotation in mind from the start.

and how do i rescale it back to the original resolution?